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Thread Manager 05-06-2012 03:36 PM

Re: What people DIDN'T like from The Avenger ........Spoilers
 
This is a continuation thread, the old thread is Here

kieron39 05-06-2012 03:36 PM

What people DIDN'T like from The Avenger ........Spoilers
 
Ok, it does not need to be negative, can be some thing people would of liked to have seen, or a nit pick,
I watched it in 2d, but i heard people didn't really like the 3d
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i personally loved the movie myself, but i couldn't get over how goofy cap looked at times with his helmet, or cowlmet, it just wasn't sleek enough. i was happier with the scenes when he wasn't wearing it, the wig looked better IMO, lol.
And i didn't understand fully the relationship between Hawkeye and black widow, which more time was given to that, and a better explanation to hawkeye no longer being possessed, but that could be down to timing, the movies running length was fine, any more might of been over kill

El Payaso 05-06-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwire (Post 23172575)
He even says to Banner that all of this seemed familiar to him. The guy is at home in the role of an active soldier. He doesn't think in terms of how technologically advanced everything is, only that, those are the bad guys, and I have my orders.

They don't solve his issues with modern times, he puts them aside to focus on the mission at hand. I imagine his sequel will deal with how they keep coming back to haunt him. Kind of like how Wolverine is able to put aside his lack of memory to focus on what he needs to do.

Yeah, it's easier to forget about past when your memopry is lost. But still, the man was deeply in love and now after the first scene he just put all that behind rather quickly. Again, I get when you have 6 superheroes or so and have to deliver as much action as possible, you don't have time for everythiung, but I'm sure he would have had much more to do about it in a CA2 movie.

Dragon 05-06-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jaqua99 (Post 23170137)
He is. When he has the gauntlet, he doesn't need strength.

There are stronger characters than Hulk. Don't fall for it.

There are characters who are more powerful than the Hulk. Cosmic powered, God-like beings. But when it comes to pure brute force the Hulk is it. Marvel goes out of its way to present this. As discussed some pages back, sure, writers alter eveyone's power levels when it suits them. But Thanos has never been shown to have the Hulk's level of pure stength. Maybe Thor's but not the Hulk.

The Morningstar 05-06-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon (Post 23172809)
There are characters who are more powerful than the Hulk. Cosmic powered, God-like beings. But when it comes to pure brute force the Hulk is it. Marvel goes out of its way to present this. As discussed some pages back, sure, writers alter eveyone's power levels when it suits them. But Thanos has never been shown to have the Hulk's level of pure stength. Maybe Thor's but not the Hulk.

He has, on numerous occasions. When was the last time Hulk blew up a planet just from the aftershocks of his punches? Thanos has literally pimp slapped Hulk aside before. Thanos has no sold a Warrior Madness and Power Gem wielding Thor (which is Thor about 1000x stronger than he usually is). Thanos treats Silver Surfer like an ant regularly. Thanos has put Galactus on his ass. All of this with no weapons or prep time or artefacts.

His just on another level up than Hulk. Thanos is what would happen if you took Reed Richards and Dr Dooms brains, Dr Strange's magical mastery and Green Scar Hulk's pure strength, combined them together and amped them up a bit.

The Apocalypse 05-06-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Morningstar (Post 23172841)
He has, on numerous occasions. When was the last time Hulk blew up a planet just from the aftershocks of his punches? Thanos has literally pimp slapped Hulk aside before. Thanos has no sold a Warrior Madness and Power Gem wielding Thor (which is Thor about 1000x stronger than he usually is). Thanos treats Silver Surfer like an ant regularly. Thanos has put Galactus on his ass. All of this with no weapons or prep time or artefacts.

His just on another level up than Hulk. Thanos is what would happen if you took Reed Richards and Dr Dooms brains, Dr Strange's magical mastery and Green Scar Hulk's pure strength, combined them together and amped them up a bit.

So how has he been beaten then? I never really followed Thanos, I just saw him own Galatcus once.

The Morningstar 05-06-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Apocalypse (Post 23172903)
So how has he been beaten then? I never really followed Thanos, I just saw him own Galatcus once.

Usually his own arrogance, like in Infinity Gauntlet. Or he realises the errors of his ways and gives up like in The End.

Thanos has had moments of altruism, surprisingly. But only when it suits his needs.

To put the Galactus thing in context though, after Thanos put the Big G on his ass, he came back and fried Thanos to within an inch of his life. Noting that he had to put some effort in whilst doing it.

But for a being like Galactus, who can let off blasts that destroy multiple solar systems, it's impressive that Thanos even survived really.

DoubleM 05-06-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Morningstar (Post 23172841)
He has, on numerous occasions. When was the last time Hulk blew up a planet just from the aftershocks of his punches? Thanos has literally pimp slapped Hulk aside before. Thanos has no sold a Warrior Madness and Power Gem wielding Thor (which is Thor about 1000x stronger than he usually is). Thanos treats Silver Surfer like an ant regularly. Thanos has put Galactus on his ass. All of this with no weapons or prep time or artefacts.

His just on another level up than Hulk. Thanos is what would happen if you took Reed Richards and Dr Dooms brains, Dr Strange's magical mastery and Green Scar Hulk's pure strength, combined them together and amped them up a bit.

Yes and all of this is with the Infinity Gauntlet correct?

The Morningstar 05-06-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleM (Post 23173229)
Yes and all of this is with the Infinity Gauntlet correct?

Nope. That's just standard Thanos.

With the IG he could just snap his fingers and erase Hulk, or anyone, from existence.

But in the actual story line he purposefully turned off some of the IGs powers to make it a challenge. He still stomped all the heroes.

Now, will he be that powerful in the movies? I doubt it. But i imagine he'll still be more powerful than all the Avengers combined.

Dragon 05-06-2012 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Morningstar (Post 23172841)
He has, on numerous occasions. When was the last time Hulk blew up a planet just from the aftershocks of his punches?

Please. You think the Hulk couldn't do that? Of course being a hero, he isn't allowed to engage on that level. Especially since if he destroyed a planet he have nowhere to go.

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Thanos has literally pimp slapped Hulk aside before.
With the Gauntlet. And the Hulk has floored Thanos- WITH the Gauntlet.

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Thanos has no sold a Warrior Madness and Power Gem wielding Thor (which is Thor about 1000x stronger than he usually is). Thanos treats Silver Surfer like an ant regularly. Thanos has put Galactus on his ass. All of this with no weapons or prep time or artefacts.

His just on another level up than Hulk. Thanos is what would happen if you took Reed Richards and Dr Dooms brains, Dr Strange's magical mastery and Green Scar Hulk's pure strength, combined them together and amped them up a bit.
And yet he's been beaten by Captain Marvel and Warlock. Like I said, writers up and down power levels to suit storylines. And as you mention- Thanos' power isn't pure brute force. There's also cosmic energy and God-like resiliency behind it.

The Sage 05-06-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Morningstar (Post 23170733)
There was a decent explanation. Jane was taken to a secret research facility.

Thor was only on Earth for his brother. Bro's before hoes ya dig?

And Cap had his development. At the start of the film he was clearly awkward, felt out of place. But the new mission? That was what he needed. He's a soldier, a new mission made him feel worthwhile. And as the film progressed he became more confident. Culminating in Stark deferring to him in the battle and Cap giving out the orders, which was an excellent scene.

All this **** was there. Again, do you people want it spoon fed to you or what?

No, I don't want to be spoon fed, I wanted to experience the Man out of Time element of his character. By the time the movie starts, he's already done some adapting to the new time period. And I know that the mission helped get him focus. But I wanted to see what he went through before that.

When he went into suspended animation, it was the early 1940s. When he woke up, it was 2011-12. He remembered New York City one way. When he woke up, he experienced the modern day New York Times Square. How did he adapt to the new culture? What does he think of it? How does he feel about how cynical the world's become? How does he feel about all of his old colleagues dying? Or the wars that's been fought in his absence? He and Fury did seem to touch on the latter briefly, but that's it.

It wasn't spoon feeding when we got to see Thor's "fish out of water" experience in his movie, so I don't see how wanting to see Cap having his "out of time" experience as spoon feeding.

That's all I'm saying. It's whatever. What they showed and mentioned worked for the movie I guess.

I understand why Whedon needed to cut it from the film. I hope it makes it way to the blu-ray and its features. As said before, I'm really looking forward to Cap 2.

Hotwire 05-06-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sage (Post 23173699)
No, I don't want to be spoon fed, I wanted to experience the Man out of Time element of his character. By the time the movie starts, he's already done some adapting to the new time period. And I know that the mission helped get him focus. But I wanted to see what he went through before that.

When he went into suspended animation, it was the early 1940s. When he woke up, it was 2011-12. He remembered New York City one way. When he woke up, he experienced the modern day New York Times Square. How did he adapt to the new culture? What does he think of it? How does he feel about how cynical the world's become? How does he feel about all of his old colleagues dying? Or the wars that's been fought in his absence? He and Fury did seem to touch on the latter briefly, but that's it.

It wasn't spoon feeding when we got to see Thor's "fish out of water" experience in his movie, so I don't see how wanting to see Cap having his "out of time" experience as spoon feeding.

That's all I'm saying. It's whatever. What they showed and mentioned worked for the movie I guess.

I understand why Whedon needed to cut it from the film. I hope it makes it way to the blu-ray and its features. As said before, I'm really looking forward to Cap 2.

Your post kind of addresses your own concerns. Thor experience was in his own film. They didn't bring that into The Avengers. I'm pretty certain that Cap's "man out of time" theme will be explored more in his sequel. He just had the unfortunate luck of being the last solo film before the team-up.


By the way, who is that dancing in your avy? Layla? And do you have a link to the video?

BigThor 05-06-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Morningstar (Post 23172841)
He has, on numerous occasions. When was the last time Hulk blew up a planet just from the aftershocks of his punches? Thanos has literally pimp slapped Hulk aside before. Thanos has no sold a Warrior Madness and Power Gem wielding Thor (which is Thor about 1000x stronger than he usually is). Thanos treats Silver Surfer like an ant regularly. Thanos has put Galactus on his ass. All of this with no weapons or prep time or artefacts.

His just on another level up than Hulk. Thanos is what would happen if you took Reed Richards and Dr Dooms brains, Dr Strange's magical mastery and Green Scar Hulk's pure strength, combined them together and amped them up a bit.

Actually he couldn't beat Warrior's Madness/Power Wielding Thor so he froze him in a block of solid force, but he's tough for even being able to survive those blows.

The Sage 05-06-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwire (Post 23174129)
Your post kind of addresses your own concerns. Thor experience was in his own film. They didn't bring that into The Avengers. I'm pretty certain that Cap's "man out of time" theme will be explored more in his sequel. He just had the unfortunate luck of being the last solo film before the team-up.


By the way, who is that dancing in your avy? Layla? And do you have a link to the video?

Yep, like I said, I'm looking forward to Cap 2. What they did in Avengers works for him I suppose, especially from a standalone film viewpoint.

Hotwire 05-06-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sage (Post 23174301)
Yep, like I said, I'm looking forward to Cap 2. What they did in Avengers works for him I suppose, especially from a standalone film viewpoint.

Yep.

So, any link to that Layla video?

BigThor 05-06-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sage (Post 23174301)
Yep, like I said, I'm looking forward to Cap 2. What they did in Avengers works for him I suppose, especially from a standalone film viewpoint.

His "man out of time" viewpoint was certainly touched upon far more than Thor's return to earth.

If that's any consolation...

ktulutu 05-06-2012 06:05 PM

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I just wanted to throw in here somewhere upon an fresh viewing-some people in the old thread were saying they didn't like the way that the Hulk went from bat***** crazy on the carrier to much more controlled after that so quickly.

In response, many have said that it was obvious Loki was controlling the Hulk. I am not saying this is not true at all but if you watch the scene you only see Loki once during the Widow/ Hulk battle/chase and it is pretty clear that he hears the roar and then smiles-to me suggesting he is kind of thinking-"good my plan is now in action."

To me the "plan" was always to have the Hulk just go on a tear to create chaos that would further distract and disconnect the team while dealing with Barton and squad.

In other words Hulk was his play but we wasn't controlling him necessarily just wanted him to be let loose. If he was controlling him why didn't he have Hulk bust the cage instead of Thor having done it? (edit-not busting in Thors case but being tricked into switching places).

An obvious response to this opinion would be the scene where everyone was bickering and Banner had the spear in his hands. My response would be that a. he was the closest and b. because of the soul gem or whatever being so close maybe he (Loki) could exert greater influence on their minds.

But again-if he could control Hulk as others are so sure why didn't he have the Hulk go nuts when they were all in the tight space together?

Just my 2 cents.

bullets 05-06-2012 06:46 PM

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He wanted the team distracted so more people could get onto the helicarrier. If he just had Hulk rampage it might not of worked out properly.


Did it seem to anyone like iron Man was too invincible in his suit. I thought there was a couple times he fell where I would of expected him to be knocked out. Not counting the fall from the portal.

Hotwire 05-06-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bullets (Post 23174885)
He wanted the team distracted so more people could get onto the helicarrier. If he just had Hulk rampage it might not of worked out properly.


Did it seem to anyone like iron Man was too invincible in his suit. I thought there was a couple times he fell where I would of expected him to be knocked out. Not counting the fall from the portal.

Well, he is The Invincible Iron Man.

Kanon 05-06-2012 07:09 PM

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Only compaint: The fist Hulk appearance, the CGI was a bit clumsy, like the 2003 Hulk. Sometimes looked weightless... Just that.

GoldGoblin 05-06-2012 07:36 PM

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-Thor not wearing his helmet (Loki had his).
-Hawkeye was just a guy with a bow n arrow,he shouldn't of been in this.
-Black Widow shouldn't of been a Avengers member,she just had two pistols.
-Captain America should of had more action screen time,more shield throwing,etc.

Aztec 05-06-2012 07:37 PM

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Does anyone else think its sad that we were just blessed with easily the best comic book movie of all time and the most popular thread on the board is "What people DIDN'T like about The Avengers"?

Ingrates.

piccolo 05-06-2012 07:41 PM

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Hulk/Thor fight could have been longer, but whatever.

Question, how did Hulk go to trying to kill everyone at first to working with the team at the end so willingly? Just a change of heart?

Kanon 05-06-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Aztec (Post 23175323)
Does anyone else think its sad that we were just blessed with easily the best comic book movie of all time and the most popular thread on the board is "What people DIDN'T like about The Avengers"?

Ingrates.

Most popular? the box office thread is longer than LOTR and the bible combined

Kanon 05-06-2012 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by piccolo (Post 23175359)
Question, how did Hulk go to trying to kill everyone at first to working with the team at the end so willingly? Just a change of heart?

Except for chasing BW, Banner/Hulk seemed pretty under control. Thor attacked him, and it wouldn't be The Hulk if it didn't try to smash him all the way to mythology :D


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