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Jordanstine 07-23-2012 12:18 PM

Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS)
 
I did the marathon for the movie and after just seeing Batman Begins freshly engraved in my mind again, watching TDKR just seemed like it was a redo of Batman Begins, complete with the same plot, the same end game, even the same League of Shadows villain.

Not complaining at all, but it was weird to watch what happened in Batman Begins was like a retelling of what was happening in TDKR.

Quote:

- Batman vs the League of Shadows

- Batman disappearing from Gotham City for 8 years in TDKR (Bruce Wayne disappearing from Gotham City for # of years to train in BB)

- Batman learning to deal with his fear climbing out of the Lazarus Pit (the Batcave in BB)


- TDKR had a Fusion Reactor stolen from Wayne Enterprise to use against the city (Microwave Emitter stolen from Wayne Industries in BB)

- Same plot of bombing and burning Gotham City to the ground

- Same plot by breaking out the Prisoners to run amok

- Maria Tate is revealed to be Talia-Al Ghul all along in TDKR (Ducard was revealed to be R'As Al Ghul all along in BB).

Any other plot similarities?

joker1524 07-23-2012 12:21 PM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
The way how talia died when the truck went off the bridge reminded me of how ras died when the train went off the track....FULL CIRCLE! lamest crap ever

Jordanstine 07-23-2012 12:23 PM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
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Originally Posted by joker1524 (Post 23961205)
The way how talia died when the truck went off the bridge reminded me of how ras died when the train went off the track....FULL CIRCLE! lamest crap ever

Oh man, like father like daughter!

Nevincer 07-23-2012 12:27 PM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
Nod to an important character in the batmythology at the end (Robin in Rises, Joker in BB).

joker1524 07-23-2012 12:37 PM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
The way how bane walks with his hands close to his chest is similar to Ras

American_Idiot 07-23-2012 12:39 PM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joker1524 (Post 23961205)
The way how talia died when the truck went off the bridge reminded me of how ras died when the train went off the track....FULL CIRCLE! lamest crap ever

I was just going to say this, minus the part about lamest crap ever. Full circle, and loved it.


Note Ra's' gas mask is visually similar to Bane's.


How about some similarities to TDK?


Joker and men hold up a bank and Joker escapes via schoolbus.
Bane and men hold up a stock exchange and Bane escapes via motorcycle.


Joker places explosives everywhere.
Bane places explosives everywhere.


Harvey Dent ends up in intensive care before being back on his feet, ready to settle the score.
Gordon ends up in intensive care before being on his feet, ready to settle the score.


Dent is Gotham's White Knight, picking up much of the slack for Batman.
Blake is a White Knight of sorts, picking up much of the slack for Batman (while he's away)


Crane gets a bit part (both films)


Joker seemingly puts the people's fates in their own hands.
Bane seemingly puts the people's fates in their own hands.


There are definitely reoccurring themes throughout this trilogy.

American_Idiot 07-23-2012 12:44 PM

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Oh and TDK and DKR both open with a 6 minute prologue showcasing an amazing feat by the film's main antagonist to show us what Bats is up against.

Jordanstine 07-23-2012 12:48 PM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by American_Idiot (Post 23961419)
I was just going to say this, minus the part about lamest crap ever. Full circle, and loved it.

Note Ra's' gas mask is visually similar to Bane's.

How about some similarities to TDK?

Joker and men hold up a bank and Joker escapes via schoolbus.
Bane and men hold up a stock exchange and Bane escapes via motorcycle.

Joker places explosives everywhere.
Bane places explosives everywhere.

Harvey Dent ends up in intensive care before being back on his feet, ready to settle the score.
Gordon ends up in intensive care before being on his feet, ready to settle the score.

Dent is Gotham's White Knight, picking up much of the slack for Batman.
Blake is a White Knight of sorts, picking up much of the slack for Batman (while he's away)

Crane gets a bit part (both films)

Joker seemingly puts the people's fates in their own hands.
Bane seemingly puts the people's fates in their own hands.

There are definitely reoccurring themes throughout this trilogy.

Good ones! Didn't realize those yet!

TomPiltoff 07-24-2012 12:26 AM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
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Originally Posted by American_Idiot (Post 23961419)
Note Ra's' gas mask is visually similar to Bane's.

No it isn't, except that they're both masks.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VyIztKQJ1I...+Ghul+Mask.jpg

http://filmsponge.com/wp-content/upl...6392089242.jpg

XtremelyBaneful 07-24-2012 01:45 AM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
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Originally Posted by Jordanstine (Post 23961171)
I did the marathon for the movie and after just seeing Batman Begins freshly engraved in my mind again, watching TDKR just seemed like it was a redo of Batman Begins, complete with the same plot, the same end game, even the same League of Shadows villain.

Not complaining at all, but it was weird to watch what happened in Batman Begins was like a retelling of what was happening in TDKR.

Any other plot similarities?

bruce wayne was also declared dead twice (once by earle in bb, and once by himself in dkr, makaveli style)

American_Idiot 07-24-2012 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TomPiltoff (Post 23969307)

Both masks that follow their jawline and ride just over their cheekbone. Granted I never said they were identical, but one does bring to mind the other, for me anyway. Bane's obviously has more to it.

drumsnotdead 07-24-2012 08:41 AM

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Ra's says in BB that (paraphrasing) if someone stands in the way of justice, you stab them in the heart, and Talia stabs Batman in the heart

VM1138 07-24-2012 09:44 AM

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I noticed the similarities, too, but Nolan handled them very well. Most directors would have made them too obvious or repetitive, but a lot of the similarities I didn't notice until I got home and thought about it a bit.

Bruce in prison. Character twist in each. The ones already mentioned here.

Most of all, I like the themes Nolan returns to. Both the Joker and Bane tried to make Gotham's citizens turn on each other. In TDK and TDKR rewarding people's faith is a huge theme. Overcoming fear in BB and embracing fear in TDKR was another full circle theme. Sacrifice is another that popped up in every film, but most notably in TDK and TDKR.

I love this trilogy.

Troy_Parker 07-24-2012 10:37 AM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
This isn't so much of a plot similarity (or is it?!) but Robin discovering the batcave/when the bats fly past/around him reminded me of that happening with Bruce in Batman Begins. I assume this wasn't just a coincidence.

Syncope 07-24-2012 10:41 AM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
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Originally Posted by drumsnotdead (Post 23971643)
Ra's says in BB that (paraphrasing) if someone stands in the way of justice, you stab them in the heart, and Talia stabs Batman in the heart

Sorry, but she didn't.

DorneyDave 07-24-2012 10:42 AM

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The music/form of Talia's and Ra's crashes are almost identical...just replace the armored truck with the monorail.

ThePhantasm 07-24-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Troy_Parker (Post 23972353)
This isn't so much of a plot similarity (or is it?!) but Robin discovering the batcave/when the bats fly past/around him reminded me of that happening with Bruce in Batman Begins. I assume this wasn't just a coincidence.

That was definitely intentional, and even filmed at a similar angle.

Rockbottom 07-24-2012 10:51 AM

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Im not 100% sure but did this film miss out Batman's combat move of controlling a thugs arm and shooting another thug in the foot with their gun? I dont think I saw it this time but it was in both Batman Begins and TDK.

redfirebird2008 07-24-2012 10:53 AM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
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Originally Posted by Syncope (Post 23972383)
Sorry, but she didn't.

Not in the heart, but she did stab him from behind just like Ra's said. I thought this was a nice "full circle" touch from Nolan.

Syncope 07-24-2012 11:46 AM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by redfirebird2008 (Post 23972463)
Not in the heart, but she did stab him from behind just like Ra's said. I thought this was a nice "full circle" touch from Nolan.

That's better.

Jedm1991 07-24-2012 12:15 PM

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If she stabbed him in the heart, he would die fast, which is exactly what she was trying to avoid.

MagnarTheGreat 07-24-2012 12:50 PM

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The stabbing-in-the-heart would make sense if Bruce was completely in love with Miranda...the betrayal itself would be a metaphor for being stabbed in the heart ("If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart" = betrayal). Unfortunately we got the abridged version of a romance but he was clearly hurt in more ways than one...but it's all quickly forgotten about after she leaves.

Just_Human 07-24-2012 11:34 PM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
Guys,


Re-watching BB after having watched TDKR is just ...... WOW

- and not really a plot, but in BB, Alfred runs some tests on the cowl and breaks it with a hammer.
I wonder if Nolan wanted to convey the image that Bane's punches were as devastating as a hammer

FattieAcid 12-07-2012 11:35 AM

Re: Uncanny Plot Similarities between The Dark Knight Rises & Batman Begins (SPOILERS
 
I know the lats time someone replied was back in july but I also found something else from BB and TDKR.

Ra's al Ghul (While Henry Ducard): Theatricality and deception are power agents. you must become more than just a man in the mind of your opponent"

Bane: "Theatricality and deception are power agents to the uninitiated, but we are initiated aren't we Bruce"

pretty awesome

Fudgie 12-07-2012 11:45 AM

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Of course there's lots of similarities. Rises is just a weak rehash of Begins. Nolan got lazy in this one. Same plot devices he used before.

Some wonder why loads of people call the flick lazy.


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