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DerSpider-Boy 09-04-2012 07:01 PM

Is Superman a Jesus metaphor?
 
Not sure if this has been discussed. Sorry if that's the case!

With most of you Americans being quite conservative and very religious ;) do you think it would be a good a idea to see Clark/Superman as a metaphor for Jesus in "MoS"... a type of messiah figure??

I got this idea while listening to Jor-Els words from the teaser trailer. It seemed very religion-themed to me. Jor-El sends his son to earth, who's raised by human parents, simple people. At some point in the comics he even dies and comes back to life shortly after. They could go the same route in a future installment. Also in the MoS teaser, Superman is confronted with the army, people seem to be afraid of him... This could be an analogy to the hatred that Jesus was confronted with.

Don't know if that'd be a good or a "dangerous" idea though... Didn't mean to offend anyone! :)

hopefuldreamer 09-04-2012 07:17 PM

Re: Superman as a metaphor for Jesus??
 
Have you seen SR?

DerSpider-Boy 09-04-2012 07:25 PM

Re: Superman as a metaphor for Jesus??
 
yeah.. once ^^

But I'm talking about MoS... Could they possibly flesh out that theme in Zack Snyder's film too?

FilmNerdJamie 09-04-2012 07:34 PM

Re: Superman as a metaphor for Jesus??
 
Singer's film. Donner's film.

Not a new concept.

herolee10 09-04-2012 08:21 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
The interesting thing for me is that I've never considered or known why some would consider Superman to a Jesus Metaphor since Superman's character fits more along the lines of Moses's character from the Old Testament of the bible:

1. Both were sent away by their biological parents in some type of a vessel as a means to protect them from when they were young.

2. Both happen to have arch nemesis who happened to be rich and bald.lol

3. Both were a child of two worlds, Moses being born Hebrew but raised Egyptian, while Clark was born on Krypton and later raised as a human.

4. Both had periods in their lives where they were doing some soul searching before ultimately finding their calling and returning back to their roots.

LibidoLoca 09-04-2012 08:31 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
And the City of Kandor can represent the slaves and Brainiac the pharaoh... Then we can have a 'let my people go' moment! :awesome:

Mindreaper21 09-04-2012 08:39 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
This is exactly what I hate and it was one of the reasons I stopped caring for Superman. I've always felt that, in a way, it forced people to worship Superman. I believe it was the silver age that started to ruin him. Everyone accepted Superman and dubbed him the greatest hero ever. To me, that also took away from what all the other heroes have done. By Superman being Jesus-like, there would be no need for the Justice league and so on. Another reason that I don't like it is because he can be corrupted with red kryptonite and become more of an anti-christ figure making him a "corruptible Jesus". I liked Superman before this forced religion route. Writers should have continued to build on the alien aspect of Superman. Superman's alien heritage is what made me like him because it said to me "No matter who you are or where you come from, you can make a difference." Somewhere that was lost. I loved that Superman was "the hero of hope", but I didn't like him being depicted as being "The Savior".

SuperFerret 09-04-2012 08:54 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindreaper21 (Post 24268409)
This is exactly what I hate and it was one of the reasons I stopped caring for Superman. I've always felt that, in a way, it forced people to worship Superman. I believe it was the golden age that started to ruin him. Everyone accepted Superman and dubbed him the greatest hero ever. To me, that also took away from what all the other heroes have done. By Superman being Jesus-like, there would be no need for the Justice league and so on. Another reason that I don't like it is because he can be corrupted with red kryptonite and become more of an anti-christ figure making him a "corruptible Jesus". I liked Superman before this forced religion route. Writers should have continued to build on the alien aspect of Superman. Superman's alien heritage is what made me like him because it said to me "No matter who you are or where you come from, you can make a difference." Somewhere that was lost. I loved that Superman was "the hero of hope", but I didn't like him being depicted as being "The Savior".

1. Superman started in the Golden Age.
2. Superman has always had religious undertones. Look at his origin.
3. Superman being Christ-like has never undermined a need for a Justice League.
4. Superman's alien aspect is directly tied to the Christ metaphor.

I don't even understand where you're getting your ideas from, let alone how you were a fan of Superman's without seeing this stuff.

Slugster 09-04-2012 08:56 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
the writers were both Jews and they took the Messiah from the Torah promised by God.
and Made him into Superman. So ???

hopefuldreamer 09-04-2012 09:04 PM

Re: Superman as a metaphor for Jesus??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goran (Post 24267969)
yeah.. once ^^

But I'm talking about MoS... Could they possibly flesh out that theme in Zack Snyder's film too?

I seriously hope not.

N7 Joseph Shepard 09-04-2012 09:09 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herolee10 (Post 24268299)
The interesting thing for me is that I've never considered or known why some would consider Superman to a Jesus Metaphor since Superman's character fits more along the lines of Moses's character from the Old Testament of the bible:

1. Both were sent away by their biological parents in some type of a vessel as a means to protect them from when they were young.

2. Both happen to have arch nemesis who happened to be rich and bald.lol

3. Both were a child of two worlds, Moses being born Hebrew but raised Egyptian, while Clark was born on Krypton and later raised as a human.

4. Both had periods in their lives where they were doing some soul searching before ultimately finding their calling and returning back to their roots.

**** FINALLY!!! Someone else who said it, I've been saying that for years and people just laugh, ignorance....what to do lol.

Anyway I agree 100,000% :D

superhero#1 09-04-2012 09:28 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
I guess that mean zod is satan.

The Guard 09-04-2012 09:32 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
The parallells to Moses and Jesus are pretty clear. He's become a Christ Figure over the years, but lots of characters have been. He's kind of inherently a savior type figure, though he's not a literal messiah, other than to his own people occassionally in the comics.

Quote:

1. Superman started in the Golden Age.
2. Superman has always had religious undertones. Look at his origin.
3. Superman being Christ-like has never undermined a need for a Justice League.
4. Superman's alien aspect is directly tied to the Christ metaphor.

I don't even understand where you're getting your ideas from, let alone how you were a fan of Superman's without seeing this stuff.
This.

LibidoLoca 09-04-2012 09:37 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
So I guess this still make Jor-El God...

fanboiii 09-04-2012 09:39 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
El does mean god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)

Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Israel, etc.

superhero#1 09-04-2012 09:49 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
God banished satan from heaven.Jor-el (god) banished satan (zod) out of krypton.

Mindreaper21 09-04-2012 10:37 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFerret (Post 24268477)
1. Superman started in the Golden Age.
2. Superman has always had religious undertones. Look at his origin.
3. Superman being Christ-like has never undermined a need for a Justice League.
4. Superman's alien aspect is directly tied to the Christ metaphor.

I don't even understand where you're getting your ideas from, let alone how you were a fan of Superman's without seeing this stuff.

I actually meant Silver Age and not Golden Age, which I have corrected. Also, I understand that Superman has always had religious undertones in which was not one of the issues I have stated. When I said that by making Superman "Jesus-like", there would be no need for the justice League, I was referring to Superman being all powerful and having the ability to solve most of the world's problem on his own. Being Jesus-like and being Christ-like have two different meanings to me. When someone is Christ-like, that is when you do the positive this as Jesus did. Being Jesus-like is like being a like Jesus in every aspect. Having a Christ-like personality and having that positive hopeful attitude IS what Superman is about. That is something that cannot be denied. Yes, I know that Superman's and Jesus' origin are similar, which is fine, yet again that was not an issue that I have stated.

My issue is with Superman being portrayed as either the second coming of Jesus, a replacement or "The Chosen One". Like some of those that mentioned jokingly Jor-el must be God etc., that is what the situation leads to unfortunately. Like I said...
"I didn't like him being depicted as being 'The Savior' ".
If you still cannot understand, then there is nothing else I can help you with.

The Guard 09-04-2012 10:56 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
I don't think Superman's ever been portrayed as the second coming of Jesus. Not in mainstream comics/film at least.

Tequilla 09-05-2012 07:02 AM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Not particularly Jesus , but of course he represents a Man God. That's his role , and its one of the most fascinating ideas behind Superman.

hopefuldreamer 09-05-2012 07:31 AM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
All this debate needs is one official photo of Superman and Zod having a big ol punch up.

Jesus might turn the other cheek. Superman rams the cheek through a wall.

SuperFerret 09-05-2012 07:38 AM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindreaper21 (Post 24269217)
I actually meant Silver Age and not Golden Age, which I have corrected. Also, I understand that Superman has always had religious undertones in which was not one of the issues I have stated. When I said that by making Superman "Jesus-like", there would be no need for the justice League, I was referring to Superman being all powerful and having the ability to solve most of the world's problem on his own. Being Jesus-like and being Christ-like have two different meanings to me. When someone is Christ-like, that is when you do the positive this as Jesus did. Being Jesus-like is like being a like Jesus in every aspect. Having a Christ-like personality and having that positive hopeful attitude IS what Superman is about. That is something that cannot be denied. Yes, I know that Superman's and Jesus' origin are similar, which is fine, yet again that was not an issue that I have stated.

My issue is with Superman being portrayed as either the second coming of Jesus, a replacement or "The Chosen One". Like some of those that mentioned jokingly Jor-el must be God etc., that is what the situation leads to unfortunately. Like I said...
"I didn't like him being depicted as being 'The Savior' ".
If you still cannot understand, then there is nothing else I can help you with.

I understand. I'm going to just completely disagree. Especially on the idea that using his first name instead of his last name makes the comparison different. But I get a hint as to where this is going, so whatever.

R_Hythlodeus 09-05-2012 08:37 AM

Re: Is Superman a Jesus metaphor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goran (Post 24267795)
Not sure if this has been discussed. Sorry if that's the case!

With most of you Americans being quite conservative and very religious ;) do you think it would be a good a idea to see Clark/Superman as a metaphor for Jesus in "MoS"... a type of messiah figure??

I got this idea while listening to Jor-Els words from the teaser trailer. It seemed very religion-themed to me. Jor-El sends his son to earth, who's raised by human parents, simple people. At some point in the comics he even dies and comes back to life shortly after. They could go the same route in a future installment. Also in the MoS teaser, Superman is confronted with the army, people seem to be afraid of him... This could be an analogy to the hatred that Jesus was confronted with.

Don't know if that'd be a good or a "dangerous" idea though... Didn't mean to offend anyone! :)



I don't know about Jesus but as far as I can see he certainly was always supposed as a 'metaphor' for the messiah. That's how he was intended to be and I sure hope Snyder once in his life is able to understand subtext.

Bruce_Begins 09-05-2012 09:12 AM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Is Superman a Jesus metaphor?

No offense to anyone but ... They should avoid making him look like one.



:sleepy:

Transcended 09-05-2012 10:15 AM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFerret (Post 24268477)
1. Superman started in the Golden Age.
2. Superman has always had religious undertones. Look at his origin.
3. Superman being Christ-like has never undermined a need for a Justice League.
4. Superman's alien aspect is directly tied to the Christ metaphor.

I don't even understand where you're getting your ideas from, let alone how you were a fan of Superman's without seeing this stuff.

Yeah, this.

The metaphor has always been inherent in his character; you can't get away from it if you're portraying him correctly. You can play it up or down, but regardless, it'll be there.

Personally, I think it adds pathos to his character – the fact that so many people see him as a god isolates him in many ways, when he is still a man with feelings, doubts, trials, etc. He has the weight of the world on his shoulders and there's no way to shrug it off. (Which is Christ-like in and of itself, of course.)

LordofhouseEl 09-05-2012 02:18 PM

Re: Is Superman A Jesus Metaphor?
 
Whatever happened to desperate scientist of a dying world, sent his child to a planet where his child would have the best possibility of survival. Clark Kent/KalEL doesn't help people because a hologram of his alien dead father told him its his destiny. He does it because its in his nature to help people. I like how Superman for all seasons simply had Clark be a good natured child who liked helping people to the point of getting his tuxedo he had saved up to buy dirty just to lend a hand to a person you know want show appreciation.


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