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AvengingLeague 11-12-2012 08:34 PM

Next X-Men films
 
Seeing as it might be a long time since we get an actual X-Men 4,5,6,etc. I thought I'd ask, what would you guys do for another set of X-Men films? Which mutants from the comics would you like to be introduced? What plot lines and story arcs from the comics would you like to see adapted? Anything particular you like to see continuing from the earlier films?

YoungPrime 11-12-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AvengingLeague (Post 24627531)
Seeing as it might be a long time since we get an actual X-Men 4,5,6,etc. I thought I'd ask, what would you guys do for another set of X-Men films? Which mutants from the comics would you like to be introduced? What plot lines and story arcs from the comics would you like to see adapted? Anything particular you like to see continuing from the earlier films?

Under the current regime, NO!

Under Marvel the possibilities are limitless.

A rebooted film where the X-men tittle would be the flag ship among a couple spin offs that could manage their own sequels yet still tie into one another would be epic.

Spin off titles like X-force and X-factor for instance. Even The StarJammers could tie into GotG at some point.

Which could all lead up to a bigger film facing off against Apocalypse.

Notice I didn't mention anything about the Avengers popping up in it. A cameo could be plausible but only if it fits into the story. Beast and Wolverine are Avengers so that would doable but not mandatory.

But following this format under the Marvel umbrella (where they belong) would basically guarantee a X-film finally meeting the billion dollar mark in the box office.

At Fox..450 to 500 mill tops! Maybe less.

Project862006 11-12-2012 10:15 PM

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^do you ever stop has any post of yours been anything but fox is the evil empire and marvel studios is god among men and can do no wrong?

Dr Tactics 11-12-2012 11:04 PM

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^do you ever stop has any post of yours been anything but fox is the evil empire and marvel studios is god among men and can do no wrong?

But FOX is the Evil Empire, no? I GOT AN IDEA!!! We should picket on the opening weekend for The Wolverine!! FIGHT THE POWER!!!:woot:

Just kidding.. Or am I??? MUHHAHAhahaha!!!

M-2 11-13-2012 01:25 AM

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If Marvel got all the rights back to all there characters, they wouldn't be able to do all there films like they doing now. There resources would be spread way to thin. That was actually the reason why we not getting Ant-Man in 2014. By 2015 we would have watched 5 Marvel Studios produced films and an additional 3 Marvel superhero films produced by other studios, if Marvel had the rights back 8 films in over the next 3 years wouldn't happen.

Fox is finally getting there act in order and I'm sure we will get better films as a result, and its not like they haven't produced in the past. XM:FC and X2 are classics, and in the comics the X-Men universe and Avengers or non-mutant Marvel superhero universe always felt a little seperate.

After DOFP, Fox could certainly make a X4 and XM:FC 2, Deadpool, Gambit and the Marauders, X-Faction, Bishop & Cable films, all set in one planned out continuity, much like the MCU... If the rights revert back to Marvel, that ain't happening.

Marvel got Daredevil back, but we ain't going to see him on the big screen for a long time. If he stayed at Fox chances are we would see a Daredevil film in the next 2-3 years.

Silvermoth 11-13-2012 03:06 AM

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I haven't a clue what's going on in this thread. There is another X-men movie coming soon.

Malcolm Belmont 11-13-2012 06:27 AM

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To be honest..i want Fox to Reboot X-Men..

YoungPrime 11-13-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by M-2 (Post 24628785)
If Marvel got all the rights back to all there characters, they wouldn't be able to do all there films like they doing now.

As opposed to Fox doing one that's disappointing as usual?

That's was a poor excuse when Millar said it and that hasn't changed now.

Unlike Fox and Sony with their diminishing returns on Marvel Films, Disney's success has gone up and if this trend continues, they'll be able to expand and make more films per year.

"Quality films"

And as it stands they're only an average of 3 Marvel films being released per year by all 3 studio's combined anyway... There were 3 last year, 3 this year and they're will be only 3 next year. And for the first time there might be 4 in 2015. So how would things be different if Marvel was releasing them all?

Even with worse case scenario 1-2 films per year that are done right by Marvel Studios still beats Fox who's continuity flaws have never sat well with most movie goers who may have still somewhat liked the movie. And lets not forget Sony for releasing a film like Ghost Ridder 2 in this day and age.

So just releasing comic book films all for the sake of meeting deadlines isn't all it's cracked up to be. Again Sony is 3 out 6 and Fox 3 out 9.

YoungPrime 11-13-2012 11:12 AM

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Marvel got Daredevil back, but we ain't going to see him on the big screen for a long time. If he stayed at Fox chances are we would see a Daredevil film in the next 2-3 years.

You do realize that Fox has been siting on this property for 9 years right???

Daredevil released in 2003, it's now 2012. So to sit here and prematurely accuse Marvel for dragging their feet while only getting the rights back barely a month ago and while not knowing what Fox was going to do with the franchise is kind of unfair.

Lets be clear Marvel isn't siting around hoping for miracles. They have a plan set for the next 3 years. It's Fox who clearly doesn't know what they're doing otherwise Daredevil wouldn't have reverted back in the first place.

So don't condemn Marvel for getting their rights back, the blame should be placed at Fox for their overall treatment of the Daredevil (and Elektra) franchise in the first place.

The "Devil" is clearly in the details... LOL get it!

KangConquers 11-13-2012 11:54 AM

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^do you ever stop has any post of yours been anything but fox is the evil empire and marvel studios is god among men and can do no wrong?

You're just as bad, *****ing out anyone who likes the MCU more than Fox Men.

M-2 11-14-2012 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by YoungPrime (Post 24630317)
So don't condemn Marvel for getting their rights back, the blame should be placed at Fox for their overall treatment of the Daredevil (and Elektra) franchise in the first place.

Lol, relax guy, no one is condemning Marvel, just making a clear observation that Marvel getting the rights back has its advantages and disadvantages just as other studios having the rights to these characters have there own advantages and disadvantages.

Definitely agree with u, that Fox were dragging their feet when it came to getting Daredevil made. But after seeing Joe Carnahan's pitch u have to admit that's something u would want to see. And at Marvel its something that we not likely to get.

Right now I love the direction Marvel is taking with their characters, I love the MCU, and I love everything that is happening with phase two. But Marvel isn't going to allow someone to come in and take a character and do something unique, like Nolan did with Batman, where u take a character in create a world for that character, that's set apart from the MCU. Where as if Carnahan approached Fox a little earlier or whatever, his pitch would stand a better chance of getting greenlit at Fox as opposed to Marvel. Are we going to see a R-Rated Marvel film in future? I wouldn't think so...

Yes Fox made some horrendous mistakes in the past (Last Stand, Wolverine Origins) but between Tom Rothman leaving (chairman of Fox, who was behind a lot of the reasons why, Last Stand and Origins were so bad), and Fox hiring Mark Millar as their superhero consultant is two steps in the right direction.

Looking at The Wolverine, and all the news coming out from that film, it certainly seems like that will be a good film, and DOFP, well that's DOFP:woot:!!

After Avengers, every studio that has a superhero film, will certainly make sure that its done right, that's why I'm giving Fox the benefit of the doubt. And forgiving them for past mistakes if they can deliver with the next 2 X films, and hopefully that leads into a X4, X:FC 2, X-Factor, X-Force a Cable, Deadpool film etc... They have the opportunity to grow their own X-Men Universe, and if they do a good job, then ill be happy with it.

the FF's right should revert back to Marvel though, they will be better in the MCU. but then again Josh Trank is on board for that and if Fox allows him freedom to tell his story, then I'm sure that will be fine.

Hawkingbird 11-14-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Malcolm Belmont (Post 24629361)
To be honest..i want Fox to Reboot X-Men..

Hmmm, I don't know. I just want them to fix the continuity.

KangConquers 11-14-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by YoungPrime (Post 24627887)
Under the current regime, NO!

Under Marvel the possibilities are limitless.

A rebooted film where the X-men tittle would be the flag ship among a couple spin offs that could manage their own sequels yet still tie into one another would be epic.

Spin off titles like X-force and X-factor for instance. Even The StarJammers could tie into GotG at some point.

Which could all lead up to a bigger film facing off against Apocalypse.

Notice I didn't mention anything about the Avengers popping up in it. A cameo could be plausible but only if it fits into the story. Beast and Wolverine are Avengers so that would doable but not mandatory.

But following this format under the Marvel umbrella (where they belong) would basically guarantee a X-film finally meeting the billion dollar mark in the box office.

At Fox..450 to 500 mill tops! Maybe less.

X-Men is never going to reach the Billion dollar mark because it's not a Billion Dollar worthy property. Love the X-Men, but at this point, it just isn't going to happen.

Dr Tactics 11-14-2012 09:58 AM

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X-Men is never going to reach the Billion dollar mark because it's not a Billion Dollar worthy property. Love the X-Men, but at this point, it just isn't going to happen.

I don't know about that.. I think the X-Men is a billion Dollar franchise if done right. I mean REALLY DONE RIGHT. The only thing thats limited the X-Mens BO potential was Fox treatment of them

KangConquers 11-14-2012 10:22 AM

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I don't know about that.. I think the X-Men is a billion Dollar franchise if done right. I mean REALLY DONE RIGHT. The only thing thats limited the X-Mens BO potential was Fox treatment of them

This is an incredibly myopic view. Fanboys (Aka the people who know that Fox is ruining the franchise) account for less than 1% of the general audience. Doing X-Men "right" isn't going to suddenly change their fortunes.

M-2 11-14-2012 10:28 AM

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I dont think that DOFP will make a Billion.. even if its the perfect X-Men Film... that being said, Last Stand grossed $460...

The Sentinels, The DOFP story and Bringing back some members of the original, plus First Class Cast and hopefully one or two badass character additions will push it over that $460 million mark, and probably add 3D to it i could see the film grossing $750-$850million.

If you look at films like Fast Five, Avengers and even Ghost Protocol, they all faired much better then prior franchise as they were fun, action packed team up films.

Franchise second Highest grossing film, vs Team Up film

Mission Impossible 2 ($546 mil) vs Ghost Protocol ($695 mil)
Fast and Furious ($363 mil) vs Fast Five ($626 mil)
Iron Man 2 ($623 Mil) vs Avengers ($1.5 Bil)

Bringing the original trilogy and the FC will certainly boast this franchise, and depending how well Wolverine is received that will certainly be a excellent boast for this film as well

Dr Tactics 11-14-2012 10:30 AM

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1%?? I'd counter that all so called fanboys aren't vocal. I kinda see fans like roaches (Stay with me on this one) for every fan you see there are hundreds you don't see and unaccounted for..

Dr Tactics 11-14-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KangConquers (Post 24637501)
This is an incredibly myopic view. Fanboys (Aka the people who know that Fox is ruining the franchise) account for less than 1% of the general audience. Doing X-Men "right" isn't going to suddenly change their fortunes.

And I don't think Fox is done ruining the franchise based on the XM-FC effort but I do think they've in the past has been limited when they have so much to work with. If you ask me what I think here on out The X-Men will be the #### and would be totally dumbfounded if It wasn't

DrCosmic 11-14-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AvengingLeague (Post 24627531)
Seeing as it might be a long time since we get an actual X-Men 4,5,6,etc. I thought I'd ask, what would you guys do for another set of X-Men films? Which mutants from the comics would you like to be introduced? What plot lines and story arcs from the comics would you like to see adapted? Anything particular you like to see continuing from the earlier films?

I actually like that you underline X-Men every time :D

I also don't want X-Men back at the MCU preventing other as-yet-unfilmed heroes from being made and limiting the Avengers franchise. Here's what I'd like to see from Fox on the X-Men front:

The Wolverine being that awesome action movie you can watch again and again

Days of Future Past being an incredible team up movie with Xavier and Magneto and Havok, Mystique and Beast, then add Wolverine and 2-3 returns from the previous franchise (likely Iceman and Jean, but I'd love Shadowcat and Cyclops too, more cameo roles than anything) with Sentinels and maybe Cable and or Bishop as the new additions.

X-Men 4 through 6 as a great trilogy that basically runs the gamut of the X-Men Franchise facing off against Apocalypse, Selene and Onslaught in stories reminicent of The Twelve, Necrosha and Onslaught, basically. The team will begin as the 'Second Class' that spins out of DOFP, including Wolverine, this time as an ensemble character and not the star of the films.

KangConquers 11-14-2012 11:59 AM

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1%?? I'd counter that all so called fanboys aren't vocal. I kinda see fans like roaches (Stay with me on this one) for every fan you see there are hundreds you don't see and unaccounted for..

People who buy comic books, buy action figures, watch the television shows, or buy the video games. That audience does not number much more than a few million. If you think that it accounts for a large part of the population, you are incredibly uninformed.

Most of what people know about X-Men comes from the movies. Same with Spider-Man, Batman, Superman. For the Avengers, there are probably even less people who know about the comics.

Fanboy tastes don't necessarily reflect mainstream tastes. Iron Man has never been an incredibly popular comic book character, yet he clicked with mainstream audiences. (And don't say that's because Iron Man was comic accurate. Tony Stark in the comics is NOTHING like Tony Stark in the movies.)

So the fact that X-Men were more popular than the Avengers in comics from the mid-70s to the mid-00s doesn't mean that a "proper" X-Men movie would appeal more to the mainstream than the Avengers movie. It just means that X-Men appeal more to the typical comic book reader, who doesn't necessarily reflect the taste of the entire population.

Dr Tactics 11-14-2012 12:18 PM

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People who buy comic books, buy action figures, watch the television shows, or buy the video games. That audience does not number much more than a few million. If you think that it accounts for a large part of the population, you are incredibly uninformed.

If that is what a definition of a Fanboy is then you are correct (To Add, I only fit 1 of the 4 descriptions of a fanboy. I really thought I was a Fanboy. Oh well) . But even the casual fan knows more than you give them credit. There are so many resources that information can be gathered that a Casual fan can be an expert with some research. Plus It just has to have that Comic Book feeling even if not all the way acurate

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Most of what people know about X-Men comes from the movies. Same with Spider-Man, Batman, Superman. For the Avengers, there are probably even less people who know about the comics.
Also true but at the height of the X-Men popularity on Fox on Sat mornings Fox has not taken advantage on those storylines. If they did at least that in the past X-Men would be a Juggernaut (Pun intended) They've in the past missed that opportunity.

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Fanboy tastes don't necessarily reflect mainstream tastes. Iron Man has never been an incredibly popular comic book character, yet he clicked with mainstream audiences. (And don't say that's because Iron Man was comic accurate. Tony Stark in the comics is NOTHING like Tony Stark in the movies.)
Dead on correct. And what Jon and Robert did with the character Tony Stark was masterful. So much so that before looking back at my collection I forgot Tony Starks original characteristics..

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So the fact that X-Men were more popular than the Avengers in comics from the mid-70s to the mid-00s doesn't mean that a "proper" X-Men movie would appeal more to the mainstream than the Avengers movie. It just means that X-Men appeal more to the typical comic book reader, who doesn't necessarily reflect the taste of the entire population.
And when I say "Done Right" that doesn't mean exactly like the comic books. It could be like the Fox cartoon past as recent as Wolverine & The X-Men. I'm just saying to not just put names on the screen (Like Sabertooths Characterization in X-Men 1) and Make a friggin Epic X-Men movie like X-2 on a constant basis. It can make a Billion dollars if its done right..

KangConquers 11-14-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Tactics (Post 24637993)
If that is what a definition of a Fanboy is then you are correct. But even the casual fan knows more than you give them credit. There are so many resources that information can be gathered that a Casual fan can be an expert with some research. Plus It just has to have that Comic Book feeling even if not all the way acurate



Also true but at the height of the X-Men popularity on Fox on Sat mornings Fox has not taken advantage on those storylines. If they did at least that in the past X-Men would be a Juggernaut (Pun intended) They've in the past missed that opportunity.



Dead on correct. And what Jon and Robert did with the character Tony Stark was masterful. So much so that before looking back at my collection I forgot Tony Starks original characteristics..



And when I say "Done Right" that doesn't mean exactly like the comic books. It could be like the Fox cartoon past as recent as Wolverine & The X-Men. I'm just saying to not just put names on the screen (Like Sabertooths Characterization in X-Men 1) and Make a friggin Epic X-Men movie like X-2 on a constant basis. It can make a Billion dollars if its done right..

If Fox had NEVER done an X-Men movie, and X-Men 1 was coming out next year? It'd be at least a $750 Million film.

The problem is, The X-Men are too over exposed to hit $1 Billion. A Billion Dollar movie isn't just a hit based on a big property. It has to capture some zeitgeist, or hit some cultural nerve, and that's VERY hard to do with your 8th movie (which would be the absolute soonest Marvel could get the property back, since Days of Future Past will be the 7th X-Man film.)

Giving Marvel the property won't automatically make it sell 120 Million tickets. Familiarity, plus inconsistency has driven audiences away from the property, and it would take a significant time putting the film on ice (10-15 years) to have an X-Man film do anywhere close to what The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, or even the Amazing Spider-Man did this year.

Dr Tactics 11-14-2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KangConquers (Post 24638121)
If Fox had NEVER done an X-Men movie, and X-Men 1 was coming out next year? It'd be at least a $750 Million film.

The problem is, The X-Men are too over exposed to hit $1 Billion. A Billion Dollar movie isn't just a hit based on a big property. It has to capture some zeitgeist, or hit some cultural nerve, and that's VERY hard to do with your 8th movie (which would be the absolute soonest Marvel could get the property back, since Days of Future Past will be the 7th X-Man film.)

Giving Marvel the property won't automatically make it sell 120 Million tickets. Familiarity, plus inconsistency has driven audiences away from the property, and it would take a significant time putting the film on ice (10-15 years) to have an X-Man film do anywhere close to what The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, or even the Amazing Spider-Man did this year.

Whoa!!! I'm not advocating Marvel get back the X-Men and whether Marvel owns them will make any real difference. I'm just saying Fox has the opportunity to do it right. You might be confusing my wanting the FF to revert back but this is not the case toward X-Men. Lets say The Wolverine is really good. Then DOFP has every opportunity to make a Billion (or real close to it) But I might tend to agree that the X-Men over exposure and past errors may pose a roadblock but people are still receptive towards the X-Men

KangConquers 11-14-2012 01:03 PM

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Whoa!!! I'm not advocating Marvel get back the X-Men and whether Marvel owns them will make any real difference. I'm just saying Fox has the opportunity to do it right. You might be confusing my wanting the FF to revert back but this is not the case toward X-Men. Lets say The Wolverine is really good. Then DOFP has every opportunity to make a Billion (or real close to it) But I might tend to agree that the X-Men over exposure and past errors may pose a roadblock but people are still receptive towards the X-Men

Basically? We're at the point where we've had Pizza every day for dinner for a week. The first time it was awesome, but by the 7th helping you're like "Blah."

Interesting question...do you think X-Men 1 being just a "decent" film is also what held the property back? If you compare X-Men 1 to Batman Begins, they both sold roughly the same # of tickets, but one became a Billion dollar franchise, and the other has yet to break $500 M.

There are other factors, but if X-Men 1 had been a great movie like X-2, Spider-Man, Batman Begins, or Iron Man, perhaps the franchise wouldn't be locked into mid-tier box office receipts.

Dr Tactics 11-14-2012 01:12 PM

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Basically? We're at the point where we've had Pizza every day for dinner for a week. The first time it was awesome, but by the 7th helping you're like "Blah."

I like that analogy:woot:

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Interesting question...do you think X-Men 1 being just a "decent" film is also what held the property back? If you compare X-Men 1 to Batman Begins, they both sold roughly the same # of tickets, but one became a Billion dollar franchise, and the other has yet to break $500 M.

There are other factors, but if X-Men 1 had been a great movie like X-2, Spider-Man, Batman Begins, or Iron Man, perhaps the franchise wouldn't be locked into mid-tier box office receipts.
Truthfully, X-3 if Bryan Singers had stayed on and made the movie that he meant to make it would've cleared $700 Million. Fox just lost momentum. Nolans Batman never lost momentum because one movie was as good or better then the next. So the momentum was killed with XM-TLS. They got a little something going with XM-FC. Lets see what they'll do this time around though the lightning in the bottle was last decade..


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