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Thread Manager 01-29-2013 08:05 AM

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Thread Manager 01-29-2013 08:05 AM

Justice League: News and Speculation - Part 1
 
This is a continuation thread, the old thread is Here

Destructus86 01-29-2013 08:05 AM

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So, I just don't see how this can work. With these characters all in one film, how are they going to cover origin stories? Some people know Green Lanterns origin story, but the general audience doesn't know Wonder Woman.

mat-chow 01-29-2013 08:16 AM

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It's debatable whether the origins NEED to be covered. Does every CBM ever have to cover the origins all over again? There are thousands of movies where character's "origins" don't have to come into play or be fully "fleshed out". I think we should be hoping for some good character beats for a bit of exposition, and hopefully a plot that allow each of the characters to shine.

Pfeiffer-Pfan 01-29-2013 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Destructus86 (Post 25086211)
So, I just don't see how this can work. With these characters all in one film, how are they going to cover origin stories? Some people know Green Lanterns origin story, but the general audience doesn't know Wonder Woman.

The general audience knows Wonder Woman. She may be a retro relic to them... but they DO know her general story.

''Amazon, came from an island of beautiful women to Man's World... and looks like Lynda Carter''.

HighFivingMF 01-29-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Destructus86 (Post 25086211)
So, I just don't see how this can work. With these characters all in one film, how are they going to cover origin stories?

Don't. If people want to know Batman's origin, depending on who it is, they can watch Batman Begins or The Dark Knight Rises. If people want to know Superman's origin, they can watch Man of Steel. If people want to know Green Lantern's origin, they can watch Green Lantern. If people want to know The Flash's origin they can wait for the solo movie or watch the TV show. If people want to know Wonder Woman's origin they can watch the animated movie, the TV show (is it in the TV show, I've never seen it), or wait for the solo movie.

Covering the origins or not would just be a detail. It wouldn't hurt or help the quality or box office.

shauner111 01-29-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HighFivingMF (Post 25086395)
Don't. If people want to know Batman's origin, depending on who it is, they can watch Batman Begins or The Dark Knight Rises. If people want to know Superman's origin, they can watch Man of Steel. If people want to know Green Lantern's origin, they can watch Green Lantern. If people want to know The Flash's origin they can wait for the solo movie or watch the TV show. If people want to know Wonder Woman's origin they can watch the animated movie, the TV show (is it in the TV show, I've never seen it), or wait for the solo movie.

Covering the origins or not would just be a detail. It wouldn't hurt or help the quality or box office.

This.

There's no need for any origin in the movie.

Venom'sDad 01-29-2013 09:41 AM

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They won't be doing origins in an ensemble film. Not the place for it. Origins will come from solo projects regardless if those projects come before or after JL.

Because there appear to be no real plan or direction in the approach to JL; as well as, how they come together...is reason why I suggest, Superman will indirectly enlist help from others because of the magnitude of the threat. Again, it been stated the MOS will be the launching point of an ensemble film. Everything will begin there. Connect the dots....they are letting it be known this won't follow the same format of the Avengers; and, that their ensemble film is being fast tracked. You all are not connecting the dots or thinking outside the box on how to possibly bring this about.

I'm just saying....

mat-chow 01-29-2013 09:52 AM

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Could you go a little further?

Project862006 01-29-2013 09:59 AM

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they dont need origins

did we need to see how storm,jean,and cyclops became leaders of the xmen in x men 1?no

DChero 01-29-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Project862006 (Post 25086663)
they dont need origins

did we need to see how storm,jean,and cyclops became leaders of the xmen in x men 1?no

Agreed. I'd even take a step further and say that WW, GL and Flash have better starting points as a whole than the X-Men did. I'd love to see those origins all told, but it doesn't need to be in the same format as the Avengers. I'd actually like to see the Green Lantern re-introduced as part of a Superman arc. I believe that it was done like that in the Superman animated series and built on for the Justice League animated series (not 100% though).

J.Howlett 01-29-2013 10:24 AM

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What Justice League needs is a massive prologue in the same vein as the prologue of the Fellowship of the Ring that sets the entire stage, in terms of plot, character, and mythology.

That's the only way, I think, going from Man of Steel to Justice League is really going to work.

I mean, set up the DC universe on film with this massive 6 minute prologue before the narrative starts.

Tell me that wouldn't work...

mat-chow 01-29-2013 10:32 AM

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That would absolutely work. Set the tone, establish events and characters. Perfect. I've said all along that LOTR is the model to use.

mclay18 01-29-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by J.Howlett (Post 25086785)
What Justice League needs is a massive prologue in the same vein as the prologue of the Fellowship of the Ring that sets the entire stage, in terms of plot, character, and mythology.

That's the only way, I think, going from Man of Steel to Justice League is really going to work.

I mean, set up the DC universe on film with this massive 6 minute prologue before the narrative starts.

Tell me that wouldn't work...

That's actually a pretty cool idea. You get the necessary exposition and backstory out of the way in a short period of time.

J.Howlett 01-29-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mclay18 (Post 25086833)
That's actually a pretty cool idea. You get the necessary exposition and backstory out of the way in a short period of time.

And you get to set the DC Universe all in one shot. The mythology and everything.

This is how it should be done.

jmc 01-29-2013 10:56 AM

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A LOTR style prologue is actually something I hadn't thought of before and on paper isn't a bad idea. I guess my only problem with it is having such a prologue after Man of Steel.

J.Howlett 01-29-2013 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jmc (Post 25086941)
A LOTR style prologue is actually something I hadn't thought of before and on paper isn't a bad idea. I guess my only problem with it is having such a prologue after Man of Steel.

Yeah. That's really the only problem with the idea. But, they pay screenwriters,especially the good ones, to figure out that sort of thing.

Denny67 01-29-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by J.Howlett (Post 25086785)
What Justice League needs is a massive prologue in the same vein as the prologue of the Fellowship of the Ring that sets the entire stage, in terms of plot, character, and mythology.

That's the only way, I think, going from Man of Steel to Justice League is really going to work.

I mean, set up the DC universe on film with this massive 6 minute prologue before the narrative starts.

Tell me that wouldn't work...

I would prefer that much, much more rather than having to endure yet another origin story. IMO that would work brilliantly. I can see something like that being sort of retrospective and speaking with reverence about the dawn of the age of heroes and how they came together in mankinds darkest hour of need.

aNarcHy2day 01-29-2013 11:37 AM

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^I don't see how that matters- in relation to MoS.

DC have done it before with Jonah Hex I think. A prologue style introduction could be cool!

Zionite1 01-29-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by J.Howlett (Post 25086785)
What Justice League needs is a massive prologue in the same vein as the prologue of the Fellowship of the Ring that sets the entire stage, in terms of plot, character, and mythology.

That's the only way, I think, going from Man of Steel to Justice League is really going to work.

I mean, set up the DC universe on film with this massive 6 minute prologue before the narrative starts.

Tell me that wouldn't work...

This is exactly how i expected them to do it and im suprised fans didmt think of this before.

A JL movie without solos has many problems-but dealing with origins is not one of them and im quite frankly tired of hearing it

J.Howlett 01-29-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny67 (Post 25087135)
I would prefer that much, much more rather than having to endure yet another origin story. IMO that would work brilliantly. I can see something like that being sort of retrospective and speaking with reverence about the dawn of the age of heroes and how they came together in mankinds darkest hour of need.

Bingo. That is how you attack the prologue. The dawn of the age of heroes with Man of Steels's Kal-El being the first.

Damn it, WB, do it this way. Problem solved.

hawkeye27 01-29-2013 12:22 PM

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I could see that prologue idea working. Especially after MOS. Use him as the stepping stone for heroes to come out from hiding and follow Supe's lead. I like this idea.

ThePowerCosmic 01-29-2013 12:34 PM

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Here's one of Mayimbe's recent tweets:


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Justice Leaguers! When MOS does well, don't be surprised if David Goyer does a pass or two at Beall's script. Calling it now.

Crazymaverick 01-29-2013 12:36 PM

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With WB apparently adopting a 'wait and see what happens with Man of Steel' stance, a Justice League movie may be even further out than currently anticipated.

Say 'Man of Steel' does gangbusters at the box office and the JL movie is greenlit this summer. We are talking about a 2016 release at the earliest. And this is in the case of a 'best case scenario' where there are no unexpected delays for any reason.

I say this because of the large budget and much longer than usual post-production time (even in summer blockbuster movie terms) 'Justice League' would require.

So in light of all this, we might actually get a 'Wonder Woman' move before we get Justice League.

And I for one, would prefer this scenario.

ThePowerCosmic 01-29-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazymaverick (Post 25087493)
With WB apparently adopting a 'wait and see what happens with Man of Steel' stance, a Justice League movie may be even further out than currently anticipated.

Say 'Man of Steel' does gangbusters at the box office and the JL movie is greenlit this summer. We are talking about a 2016 release at the earliest. And this is in the case of a 'best case scenario' where there are no unexpected delays for any reason.

I say this because of the large budget and much longer than usual post-production time (even in summer blockbuster movie terms) 'Justice League' would require.

So in light of all this, we might actually get a 'Wonder Woman' move before we get Justice League.

And I for one, would prefer this scenario.

Nothing has pointed to a Wonder Woman movie so far. You can bet that we won't be seeing a WW movie until after JL.


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