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RAINMAKER 02-02-2013 04:19 PM

Question Regarding Batman's First Fight With Bane
 
After watching the film several times, I don't seem to understand why Batman was so mad at Selina Kyle for making a "serious mistake", when he was the one that wanted Kyle to take him to Bane.

Was it because Batman was caught off-guard and wanted to attack Bane in a different way?

Or did he just want to see what Bane was all about before attacking him?

Also, I don't get why Bane made a "deal" with Selina Kyle to bring Batman to him when in fact Bane already knew who he was. This is why I wrote in an earlier thread that the first fight should've been in the "Batcave".

Oh yeah, how does Bruce kick through bricks, but can't inflict any damage on Bane? Has anybody else noticed that inconstancy?

Thanks.

Uroboric Forms 02-02-2013 04:47 PM

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She shut the gate behind him, making it apparent that she had set him up.

Tacit Ronin 02-02-2013 05:38 PM

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Oh yeah, how does Bruce kick through bricks, but can't inflict any damage on Bane? Has anybody else noticed that inconstancy?
That's because Bane >>> bricks.

Piper Maru 02-02-2013 05:40 PM

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Personally, I think it's because Bane leveled up.

zmystico 02-02-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RAINMAKER (Post 25113417)
After watching the film several times, I don't seem to understand why Batman was so mad at Selina Kyle for making a "serious mistake", when he was the one that wanted Kyle to take him to Bane.

Was it because Batman was caught off-guard and wanted to attack Bane in a different way?

Or did he just want to see what Bane was all about before attacking him?

Also, I don't get why Bane made a "deal" with Selina Kyle to bring Batman to him when in fact Bane already knew who he was. This is why I wrote in an earlier thread that the first fight should've been in the "Batcave".

Oh yeah, how does Bruce kick through bricks, but can't inflict any damage on Bane? Has anybody else noticed that inconstancy?

Thanks.

I don't think he was mad as much as just telling her, "you sided with the wrong guy"...remember Batman was relying heavily on theatricality and deception, so he in all likelihood didn't just want to walk up to Bane and start fighting.

Why not make a deal with her, she didn't know his true plan, and he actually needed her to accomplish is goal...she wasn't a threat to him (or so he thought)

Bruce kicked an old brick, before Bane he took out several of his men...and Bane was much stronger than him. Also, Batman tired himself early in their fight with his punches...so yes he landed but there wasn't much power behind them.

Figs 02-02-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Excelsior. (Post 25113775)
That's because Bane >>> bricks.

:applaud

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Originally Posted by Piper Maru (Post 25113783)
Personally, I think it's because Bane leveled up.

:funny:

Anno_Domini 02-02-2013 06:21 PM

Re: Question Regarding Batman's First Fight With Bane
 
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Originally Posted by RAINMAKER (Post 25113417)
After watching the film several times, I don't seem to understand why Batman was so mad at Selina Kyle for making a "serious mistake", when he was the one that wanted Kyle to take him to Bane.

Was it because Batman was caught off-guard and wanted to attack Bane in a different way?

Or did he just want to see what Bane was all about before attacking him?

Batman wanted Selina to take him to Bane, but he was not expecting Selina to lead him into a trap in Bane's "playing field" as she did. And she even admitted that this was Bane's idea.

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Also, I don't get why Bane made a "deal" with Selina Kyle to bring Batman to him when in fact Bane already knew who he was. This is why I wrote in an earlier thread that the first fight should've been in the "Batcave".
To show that Batman has failed more ways than just losing the fight when he shows Bruce that his sewer lair is right under Applied Sciences.

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Oh yeah, how does Bruce kick through bricks, but can't inflict any damage on Bane? Has anybody else noticed that inconstancy?

Thanks.
It was just all a nod to Batman: Year One. Highly doubt Nolan gave it much thought that Bruce could kick a hole through anyone since he can kick through some bricks.

the last son 02-02-2013 06:25 PM

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I just don't understand why Batman wouldn't be prepared with every gadget he has in his arsenal. The smoke bombs. I mean really they just were more like ear poppers. Those would rarely work against anyone. Then he hits the lights and just stands there. Why not move around? I mean I understand you're tired and trying to catch your breath but Batman is just standing two feet away form Bane. Use the batclaw to get to higher grounds. Other than that it was a really good scene outside of batman not using any gadgets.

the last son 02-02-2013 06:27 PM

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Then it's the mask. I know Bruce is not on top of his game but any person Batman or a regular civilian in a fight with bane would target his mask. But the first fight as I said was really great, the second fight not so much. Bane was defeated way too easily. Why is Batman sitting here listening to Talia and letting Bane tie a rope around him? Why did Bane even put a rope around him? He was going to just shoot him.

Anno_Domini 02-02-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25113971)
I just don't understand why Batman wouldn't be prepared with every gadget he has in his arsenal. The smoke bombs. I mean really they just were more like ear poppers. Those would rarely work against anyone. Then he hits the lights and just stands there. Why not move around? I mean I understand you're tired and trying to catch your breath but Batman is just standing two feet away form Bane. Use the batclaw to get to higher grounds. Other than that it was a really good scene outside of batman not using any gadgets.

The smoke bombs would probably work with anyone else who wouldn't expect such. Bane was.

And why would you say Batman just stood there? He could have definitely moved around and Bane finally caught up to him.

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25113977)
Then it's the mask. I know Bruce is not on top of his game but any person Batman or a regular civilian in a fight with bane would target his mask. But the first fight as I said was really great, the second fight not so much. Bane was defeated way too easily. Why is Batman sitting here listening to Talia and letting Bane tie a rope around him? Why did Bane even put a rope around him? He was going to just shoot him.

He punched at the mask many times and the only reason he finally broke Bane's mask is when his gauntlet cut off a pipe during the second fight.

And Batman is "sitting" there because he has a knife in his side while Talia is twisting it.

the last son 02-02-2013 06:30 PM

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He's standing right there a foot away from Bane. He didn't move anywhere. How did the lights just turn on once Batman was caught?

Anno_Domini 02-02-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25113987)
He's standing right there a foot away from Bane. He didn't move anywhere. How did the lights just turn on once Batman was caught?

He was on the ground when he turned the lights off. Can't have the possible thought that he got up and started to move around? Prefer the idea that he got up and stood there?

And he was thrown to his side. That could've turned the lights back on when he fell on whatever is used to turn the lights off.

zmystico 02-02-2013 06:37 PM

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It just proved Alfred's point that Bruce simply wasn't ready and was thoroughly outmatched.

Bane knew EVERYTHING about Bruce/Batman and in all likelihood what he would try to do.

AnneFan 02-02-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25113971)
I just don't understand why Batman wouldn't be prepared with every gadget he has in his arsenal.

If we really get down to it, Batman could have just shot Bane in the neck with one of those sleeper bat darts before throwing a single punch. But that's not what the scene is about. The scene is about seeing Batman lose in a big way. Being overconfident, thinking the thrashing will be simple, because hey, he beat Ras Al Ghul and Bane won't be as tough as him surely. He was mistaken.

the last son 02-02-2013 07:33 PM

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I mean if I was Batman I would have just dealt with bane and his gang on the rooftops in the bat..Throw a net over them hit them with some rubber bullets and call gotham PD

Anno_Domini 02-02-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25114247)
I mean if I was Batman I would have just dealt with bane and his gang on the rooftops in the bat..Throw a net over them hit them with some rubber bullets and call gotham PD

...and Batman should've had a beard and be awesome like you.

...and you should have written the script to TDKR.

Yah, we've heard it all already.

the last son 02-02-2013 07:41 PM

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Someone who hates my ideas sure spends a lot of time remembering them.

Polaris23 02-02-2013 09:21 PM

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What I don't understand about this scene (as much as I adore it) is how Bane can pound at Batman and catch Batman's fist even though he is wearing armour that is meant to take bullets. They make it a point in BB and TDK that it's a strong suit, and can even electrocute one of the Joker's clowns, but Bane seamlessly punches away at it with his bare fists like nothing. How does he even choke Batman (when he picks him up at one point) through the armour?

Anno_Domini 02-02-2013 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25114281)
Someone who hates my ideas sure spends a lot of time remembering them.

Just remember the hilarity in them.

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Originally Posted by Polaris23 (Post 25114757)
What I don't understand about this scene (as much as I adore it) is how Bane can pound at Batman and catch Batman's fist even though he is wearing armour that is meant to take bullets. They make it a point in BB and TDK that it's a strong suit, and can even electrocute one of the Joker's clowns, but Bane seamlessly punches away at it with his bare fists like nothing. How does he even choke Batman (when he picks him up at one point) through the armour?

Wasn't the Joker henchmen trying to take off Batman's cowl though? Bane never tried that and he only broke the cowl to take it off. I think that's how the electricity works and only that way if someone tries to take the mask off, but to work on the armor and fighting Batman...I don't see how that would contradict anything. Besides, we are talking about a guy who can break Batman's cowl and punch through pillars.

Tequilla 02-03-2013 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RAINMAKER (Post 25113417)

Oh yeah, how does Bruce kick through bricks, but can't inflict any damage on Bane? Has anybody else noticed that inconstancy?

Thanks.

Frank dux style !

http://i.imgur.com/3BsLiAv.jpg

Llama_Shepherd 02-03-2013 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RAINMAKER (Post 25113417)
After watching the film several times, I don't seem to understand why Batman was so mad at Selina Kyle for making a "serious mistake", when he was the one that wanted Kyle to take him to Bane.

Was it because Batman was caught off-guard and wanted to attack Bane in a different way?

Yes. Remember how he tries being a ninja again in the lead up? He probably thought Bane could be taken out as easily, and if not, he'll fight harder. That did not work because Catwoman shut him in on a narrow walkway with Bane.

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Or did he just want to see what Bane was all about before attacking him?
Bruce thought he knew all he needed to, that Bane was just a mercenary.

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Also, I don't get why Bane made a "deal" with Selina Kyle to bring Batman to him when in fact Bane already knew who he was. This is why I wrote in an earlier thread that the first fight should've been in the "Batcave".
So he could show him that it is Bruce's own armoury being used to turn Gotham into a police state "I wondered which would break first, your spirit or your body!"

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Oh yeah, how does Bruce kick through bricks, but can't inflict any damage on Bane? Has anybody else noticed that inconstancy?
Because it's a film about a superhero and these things happen. Why doesn't Bruce dislocate his shoulder when he uses his grapple? Why didn't he shatter he feet and ankles when he kicked the bricks? Why didn't Joker have his foot sliced off when Batman caught him? Why didn't Bane pulverise his fists when he punched through the pillar? Why didn't Bruce have his cranium destroyed when Bane punched through his cowl?

All those things should have happened?

JDonaldD 02-04-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Polaris23 (Post 25114757)
What I don't understand about this scene (as much as I adore it) is how Bane can pound at Batman and catch Batman's fist even though he is wearing armour that is meant to take bullets. They make it a point in BB and TDK that it's a strong suit, and can even electrocute one of the Joker's clowns, but Bane seamlessly punches away at it with his bare fists like nothing. How does he even choke Batman (when he picks him up at one point) through the armour?

Because Bane is really strong. :word:

RAINMAKER 02-04-2013 01:58 PM

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Thanks for all your responses guys. It makes a lot more sense now.
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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25113971)
I just don't understand why Batman wouldn't be prepared with every gadget he has in his arsenal.

I think because Nolan needed to show Batman getting his butt kicked. Batman was arrogant and probably felt that he didn't need much in his arsenal to beat Bane.

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25113971)
The smoke bombs. I mean really they just were more like ear poppers. Those would rarely work against anyone. Then he hits the lights and just stands there. Why not move around? I mean I understand you're tired and trying to catch your breath but Batman is just standing two feet away form Bane. Use the batclaw to get to higher grounds. Other than that it was a really good scene outside of batman not using any gadgets.

I don't know what those "ear poppers" were either. They looked like what Bruce and Ra's threw on the ground in BB.

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25113971)
Then he hits the lights and just stands there. Why not move around? I mean I understand you're tired and trying to catch your breath but Batman is just standing two feet away form Bane. Use the batclaw to get to higher grounds. Other than that it was a really good scene outside of batman not using any gadgets.

He did move around. Just not much. Remember, he was on the ground when he hit the lights and then he was standing in another spot when Bane choked him.

JDonaldD 02-04-2013 01:59 PM

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This thread is an example of what happens when the movies been out for a while and people are looking to hard for nitpicks. It's a super hero movie. If bane couldn't punch through Batman's armor or lift him over his head everyone would hate Nolan for neutering the character. You can't win with some people. Sometimes it comes down to whether you like the movie or don't. It's fine if you don't but if you don't want to like it, you'll find flaws in everything.

RAINMAKER 02-04-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by the last son (Post 25114247)
I mean if I was Batman I would have just dealt with bane and his gang on the rooftops in the bat..Throw a net over them hit them with some rubber bullets and call gotham PD

Of course that would've been the most logical thing to do. But we'd be sitting here and saying that was the worst scene in the movie. Everybody wants to see the "Hero" fight the "Villan".


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