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Dusk 02-25-2013 06:33 PM

What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
What is the plan for for X-Men films beyond DOFP?

I know a lot of people on here have fantasies about both FIRST CLASS and OT X-MEN sequels running side by side....but let's be realistic, that's probably NOT going to happen! Surely X-Men sequels coming out all the time with different timelines and different casts would just confuse people. I doubt FOX would take that risk.

So...what's the plan? Will there have to be a choice made beyond DOFP, as to which direction to go? Which would you prefer?

One on hand, we can return to original cast we all know and love...bring back James Marsden, forget X3 ever happened, and get back on track! I know that's what a lot of people want to see, as it opens the door to X-Men awesomery such as more sentinels, Apocalypse, etc etc...

On the other hand, this would mean we lose McAvoy, Fassbender and now Oscar winner Jennifer Lawrence...which would be a HUGE loss IMO. Especially the potential of Fassbender really getting into his Magneto role, 'cause let's be honest - - Sir Ian McKellen (bless him) ain't gettin any younger!

What are people thinking? What would you prefer? Or do you honestly think there's enough room for both franchises?

Blitzkrieg Bop 02-25-2013 06:56 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I only wanted the new X-Men to have their own series. DOFP sounds a little cool as an idea, but I was hoping for the First Class crew to have their own sequel(s). Especially since we got so little of young Magneto as a full-on rogue and none of the first incarnation of the Brotherhood.

Dusk 02-25-2013 07:57 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I think Fassbender's portrayal of Magneto would be the greatest loss if they were to leave the FIRST CLASS series behind. For me that's the big one. McKellen's wonderful as Magneto, but he's getting on a bit, and his age will definitely limit what they can show Magneto doing in future sequels. Is that agist? Maybe I'm wrong, but I see much more potential for Fassbender as Mags...Magneto in all his fierce, powerful glory is something we still haven't seen on film yet.
However, I guess some people would argue that we've seen enough of him, perhaps it's time to move onto other villains.

psylockolussus 02-25-2013 09:48 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
Hopefully they'll move forward with the original cast.

Dusk 02-25-2013 10:27 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
So you think that's it for the FIRST CLASS cast after DOFP? Even with the growing star power of McAvoy, Fassbender and J-Law??

psylockolussus 02-25-2013 10:39 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I hope its their last X-Men film. I don't think their star power would help the series that much since they aren't really portraying the characters that really appealed and well-known to the general public. The general public is much more familiar with the older version of Prof X, Magneto and Mystique. Its always nice to have an Oscar-winning/nominated actors in the cast but it doesn't guarantee that if they comeback for the next movie, the movie will be an instant hit and perform better than the previous X-Men films.

pr0xyt0xin 02-26-2013 12:45 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
My hope is that they will use DofP to redeem the X-Verse overall. With such radical themes of time travel and the deceased main cast (Cyclops, Jean Grey and Prof. X to start) so many errors could potentially be retconned and a joint-continuity could be developed.

For instance, Sentinels rise after the events of X3 and many more main cast members are killed off (Iceman, Angel, Nightcrawler, Beast) or apprehended (Storm, Colossus, Magneto). Kitty goes back in time to warn the X-Men and help stop Bolivar Trask from unleashing the Sentinels and causing such destruction in the future.

These actions affect the course of history so much that Cyclops survives the battle with Phoenix, the rest of the X-Men aren't defeated by the sentinels and Mystique and Magneto's powers are never stripped from them.

They could also attempt some more far out retcons to explain the following continuity errors:
- how young Emma Frost got sent from XO:W to the First Class past
- how Scott's younger brother ended up in the 60s
- why Hank was furry in FC and X3 but wasn't furry in X2
- why Xavier wasn't crippled at various times in the original trilogy
- why Xavier and Mystique were unfamiliar in the original trilogy

And finally, use this movie as a lead-in to an Age of Apocalypse film. (i.e. Jean survives to have Scott's son Nate, awakening an ancient evil. Nate returns from a distant future where Apocalypse reigns supreme.)

If they did even a fraction of the above I'd gain a substantial amount of respect for the franchise.

FeedOnATreeFrog 02-26-2013 02:24 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
After X3 (and The Wolverine), Mutants rise again, causing humans to turn to the sentinels for protection which lead to a catastrophic global war. Rogue, Iceman, etc all die, etc.

Wolverine (or Kitty Pryde) time travels to change some key event that would prevent all this, but gets sent too far back, to around 1930. He/she lays low (as not to change too much in the timeline) until the time is right to tell Charles Xavier.

As a result of the delicate nature of time-travel, and the resulting butterfly effect, the timeline has been distorted, warped, and dragged back in a sense. Many events are happening differently, and often much sooner than they did in the previous timeline, even births.

This act of time-travelling results in the First Class timeline. (thus the discrepancies regarding Xavier in the chair, emma frost, Beast, Havoc, Emma Frost, etc)

(This is also a cheeky way to account for the actors being different, as genetics are not the exact same with the butterfly effect).

This is why Storm and Cyclops (and Havok, his brother), Emma Frost, etc, are born much earlier.
(it was indeed the young-teen Cyclops and Storm that Xavier saw when using Cerebro for the first time in First Class)

DoFP apparently takes place in 1973. By this time, Cyclops, Jean, and Storm would be in their mid-twenties (new actors), ready to be recruited by the time-traveller to stop the event.

This is the original cast's last movie. We never see the original timeline again (as there's nothing really to see except rubble and dead bodies).

Even though they accomplish the task they believe will prevent an apocalyptic future, they still aren't sure that it won't happen for them, and it's something that looms in the back of Xavier's mind for the rest of the series.

pr0xyt0xin 02-26-2013 03:09 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
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Originally Posted by FeedOnATreeFrog (Post 25266425)
After X3 (and The Wolverine), Mutants rise again, causing humans to turn to the sentinels for protection which lead to a catastrophic global war. Rogue, Iceman, etc all die, etc.

Wolverine (or Kitty Pryde) time travels to change some key event that would prevent all this, but gets sent too far back, to around 1930. He/she lays low (as not to change too much in the timeline) until the time is right to tell Charles Xavier.

As a result of the delicate nature of time-travel, and the resulting butterfly effect, the timeline has been distorted, warped, and dragged back in a sense. Many events are happening differently, and often much sooner than they did in the previous timeline, even births.

This act of time-travelling results in the First Class timeline. (thus the discrepancies regarding Xavier in the chair, emma frost, Beast, Havoc, Emma Frost, etc)

(This is also a cheeky way to account for the actors being different, as genetics are not the exact same with the butterfly effect).

This is why Storm and Cyclops (and Havok, his brother), Emma Frost, etc, are born much earlier.
(it was indeed the young-teen Cyclops and Storm that Xavier saw when using Cerebro for the first time in First Class)

DoFP apparently takes place in 1973. By this time, Cyclops, Jean, and Storm would be in their mid-twenties (new actors), ready to be recruited by the time-traveller to stop the event.

This is the original cast's last movie. We never see the original timeline again (as there's nothing really to see except rubble and dead bodies).

Even though they accomplish the task they believe will prevent an apocalyptic future, they still aren't sure that it won't happen for them, and it's something that looms in the back of Xavier's mind for the rest of the series.

:up: thatd work too.

Great Mind(s) 03-03-2013 10:29 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I think it'll continue as two series that will cross over again. Like the Avengers. We'll get a proper First Class sequel set in the 80s or something without time travel...and a new timeline sequel to the OT with Cyclops back. Then maybe a Fantastic Four movie and it'll all build up to "Age of Apocalypse"...the next cinematic crossover event!

747 03-03-2013 11:13 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
A proper First Class sequel set in the 80s with young Storm, Jean and Cyke. And a new X4 kind of movie with the new and changed reality established after the events of DOFP.

It's what I want anyway. :)

And I don't see why it wouldn't work like the OP seems to suggest.

psylockolussus 03-03-2013 09:53 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I'm fine with FOX just moving forward with the original cast. I don't think the general public is more eager to watch the origin story of Storm, Cyke and Jean than to see the original gang face new adventures and possibly new villains.

Great Mind(s) 03-18-2013 08:20 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
Unless they do a FC sequel that sets up a proper X-Men sequel. Have young Xavier and Magneto deal with a frozen in a pyramid Apocalypse. Then at the end have him escape and the sequel X4 would deal with Age of Apocalypse.

psylockolussus 03-18-2013 10:09 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I hope they are done with the younger version of Xavier and Magneto after DOFP. I don't really see the point of having them when they could easily bring back Ian/Patrick and they could just move on with the original trilogy and introduce new characters.

Other the movie fan-boys, the younger version of Xavier/Magneto don't really appeal to the general public.

laytonc32 03-23-2013 03:40 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I think it should set up for Apocalypse. I would also show McKellan's Magneto with remorse realizing his mistakes. This will make young Magneto change, and him and Mystique could part was because she wants to continue the idea of Mutant superiority. She will then side with Apocalypse in the sequel. I think she has sided with him in the comics (or maybe that is just in the animated series) in the past.

def28 03-23-2013 11:49 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
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Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 25414731)
I hope they are done with the younger version of Xavier and Magneto after DOFP. I don't really see the point of having them when they could easily bring back Ian/Patrick and they could just move on with the original trilogy and introduce new characters.

Other the movie fan-boys, the younger version of Xavier/Magneto don't really appeal to the general public.

I have very rarely (if ever) seen any complaints about those two castings. Everyone thinks Fassbenders Magneto is a bad ass, I've seen alot say he rivals Wolverine in that category.

I would argue that they only don't appeal to the hardcore OT fans who will only accept Stewart and Mckellen. The general public and majority of X Men fans seemed more then ok with them.

psylockolussus 03-24-2013 01:46 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
No one is really complaining about James McAvoy/Michael Fassbender. But I don't think this series would really thrive with them as the lead stars. I can't imagine a X-Men film outgrossing X2/X3, w/o the OT cast.

def28 03-24-2013 02:17 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
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Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 25445977)
No one is really complaining about James McAvoy/Michael Fassbender. But I don't think this series would really thrive with them as the lead stars. I can't imagine a X-Men film outgrossing X2/X3, w/o the OT cast.

Yeah, I don't think Mcavoy and Fassbender are part of that problem though. They are just as marketable when they play as those characters imo. Mostly its due to the other characters in that film. The X-Men are too weak compared to the OT. Any X-Men movie without marketable X-Men is a tough sell. If FC had a line up of Cyc, Logan, Jean, Storm, Rogue and Gambit. It would have outgrossed X2 and possibly X3.

Excluding Jackman, The characters are more important then the cast when it comes to box office imo. Cast the right actor, and no one will care about the switch for more then one movie if that.

Da Games Elite 03-29-2013 12:44 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
I think there should be two primary series from that point onward. One series would take place in the 80's, following the introduction of Cyclops, Jean, and Storm. Maybe a few other X-Men too, like Psylocke, with Fassbender's Magneto as the primary antagonist, but with some Mr. Sinister action here.

The other? Wolverine and the X-Men. Hugh Jackman can keep being Wolverine, only now he's in charge of the Xavier School, running it. You can focus on Rogue, Kitty, and Iceman, along with Collossus and what have you, and any new mutants. That way, Jackman can keep playing Wolverine, since the public loves that role, with smaller parts devoted to the original team on occasion.

...and Deadpool is a must.

MarvelU 03-29-2013 02:09 PM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
There is a lot that can happen with time travel. It's too early to tell what will be the next few X-Men movies after DOFP. What ever does happen after DOFP will likely indicate which cast will move on to the next few movies. If anything I can see a trilogy with the First Class team, so there might be one more movie with the First Class team after DOFP.

magneto23 03-31-2013 12:19 AM

Re: What is DOFP setting the groundwork for?
 
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Originally Posted by Dusk (Post 25262563)
What is the plan for for X-Men films beyond DOFP?

I know a lot of people on here have fantasies about both FIRST CLASS and OT X-MEN sequels running side by side....but let's be realistic, that's probably NOT going to happen!

A fantasy? No. It's happening. I don't get the need to bring it to a choice between the two. Fox can very easily run sequels to both.


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Surely X-Men sequels coming out all the time with different timelines and different casts would just confuse people. I doubt FOX would take that risk.
What's so confusing about it?

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So...what's the plan? Will there have to be a choice made beyond DOFP, as to which direction to go?
Nope. They can go any and all directions.


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Which would you prefer?
Sequels to both plus new spinoffs.

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On the other hand, this would mean we lose McAvoy, Fassbender and now Oscar winner Jennifer Lawrence...which would be a HUGE loss IMO.
Fox isn't going to squander the opportunity to cash in on these guys.

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What are people thinking? What would you prefer? Or do you honestly think there's enough room for both franchises?
Plenty of room for both and more.


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