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Fox's Shared Universe
If Fox is really trying to create a shared universe between X-Men and FF then the perfect storyline to bridge them together would be the sequel to Days of Future Past, Days of Future Present which deals with the FF and the X-Men. If they introduce Rachel Summers in Days of Future Past (which they really really should) it would set it up perfectly for this storyline down the road
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I think an Age of Apocalypse film could work as well. With the news of Blinky being in DOFP Apocalypse being a villain eventually seems very likely now.
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FOX should've gotten their act together with the very first X-Men film to create a shared universe.
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Shared universe is overrated in regards to X-Men. Their universe is just as convoluted and dense as the rest of the MCU combined and the tethers between the two (besides shoehorning Wolverine into everything) are thin at best.
I am fine with the X-Verse being its own thing. But FF? They really belong in the MCU, as does Spidey for that matter. The Richards family and Xavier School can be connected, but I cannot think of many great reasons for them to team up. I think Fox would be wiser at better expanding the X-Men mythos into something as comparable to the MCU as opposed to just making main titles and Wolverine. Just my thoughts. |
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Apocalypse is an ancient being, and was originally born in ancient Egypt as En Sabah Nur. Kang the Conqueror went back to that time period and became the Pharaoh Rama-Tut, and in that guise, he tutored En Sabah Nur and empowered him to become Apocalypse. Rama-Tut originally appeared as a very early FF villain; the link to Kang was added for the Avengers' franchise sake a few years later. |
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It seems the FF property would have more to gain from an X-Men connection than the X-men property would have.
It seems Fox is finally getting the X-Men franchise back on track why would they want to tag on what's perceived as a failed or underachieving franchise to it? Is anyone out there i.e. General Audience, going man we really need to see the FF team up with the X-Men on screen? |
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And you're right about them needing to expand the X-Verse. That could be part of their FMCU (Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe as I will call it now). Introducing more X-Verse characters outside the main ones is a good idea. New Mutants, X-Factor, Xcalibur etc. It could make for great storylines (Second Coming which I really want to see). They could definitely make their FMCU just as big as the original MCU. And as for Spidey he could go with Marvel or Fox. Seeing as he became apart of Future Foundation he now has a stake in both that's important. Quote:
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No use continuing saying it's a pointless idea when Fox have already said they're going ahead with it. It's clear Matthew Vaughn is going to have a hand in it seeing as he has already or will be producing everything in the FMCU except The Wolverine but that's a special movie. |
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I don't see it amount to much more than possibly a cameo. The Fantastic Four are dead as a film franchise.
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Until they successfully create enough crossovers films for The X-Men alone (teams,solos,events) that actually work and arent a jumbled mess they shouldnt even bother mixing them with FF.
They should do a Silver Surfer film and tie that in to FF before The Xmen and them meet. Granted they make them decent this time. |
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In the end credit/post credits scene of FF they could have Sue tell Reed she's pregnant. Then in FF2 she could have had Franklin finally introducing the character. Then in the end of FF2 they could have Xavier come to Reed and Sue and tell them that he's sensed that Franklin is perhaps an higher than Omega-level mutant thereby establishing those two film series being in the same universe without it being weird because Franklin is a mutant so it'll make sense to the audience that he's popped up on Xavier's radar given his power level (reminiscent of the scene from X3). Then if X-Men DoFP fixes the timeline and we get more present time movies they could introduce some more X-Verse characters. It could be around 2020 when they do a crossover X-Men/FF Days of Future Present movie. This gives them enough time to set up movies and characters for both series. |
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And like Dent keeps saying this thread is a speculation thread like all the other ones. It doesn't have to focus solely on a FF/X-Men team up film. It's open to anything dealing with Fox's MCU in general. Though speculating FF may not get a new movie is kind of dumb at this point. |
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The X-Universe has always been its own thing, even in the comics. Especially since the 1990s, X-Men has spawned a ****-ton of titles that exist in their own mutant universe. Shlock like the recent AVX notwithstanding, the X-Universe rarely intrudes on the rest of the Marvel Universe, and vice versa. That's why having a separate studio manage the X-Men titles doesn't feel forced at all, and is actually canonical when you think about it. But yeah, trying to carve out a niche in the X-Universe for the FF *does* feel forced. It's understandable why Fox wants to do it, but it's really apples and oranges. Tonally and thematically, the FF share a lot more with the MCU than with the FCU. Fox, and fandom, would be better served by expanding the X-Men universe by spinning off films like Cable and/or Deadpool, Excalibur, New Mutants, Generation X, X-Factor, X-Statix, The Brotherhood, Storm, Psylocke, Dazzler, Cloak and Dagger....pretty much an infinite bunch of stories to draw from. |
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You could link the X-Men and FF together but they don't have a huge amount of common ground with each other. If I was going to link them then I guess the cosmic X-Men stuff and the cosmic FF stuff would be the way to do it (Shi'ar, Kree, The Brood , The Phalanx). I don't think alot of people want to see wanting the space based X-men stuff though. The X-Men films have generally been slightly more grounded so far. The X-Universe is like a universe in its self. There are so many characters, teams, storylines, multiple realites, ect in the X-Universe that you don't really need to link them together as there is so much depth. |
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I simply don't see how this film becomes a box office success. For the first FF films, Fox experienced a significant drop off (12.5% per Box Office Mojo) in worldwide box office with the sequel, despite a 30% budget increase. Add in the inevitable reboot decrease of 15% or so, the lack of merchandising revenue, and the outlook is looking grimmer. Then you add in the increased production costs of a CGI Thing, a Negative Zone, and simply to keep the reboot from being as cheap looking as the initial duology. Then you add to this a release date just 56 days before the Avengers and the film is going to be buried in A2 hype. Only the most ardent fans are going to see two Marvel superhero team up films within two months, and a large number of those fans are upset the FF doesn't get to play with their pals in the MCU. You add to that toxic mix a very green, although talented director, and this has the makings of a disaster. Hopefully FOX realizes this soon and Disney/Marvel and FOX can reach a deal to reboot the FF in their rightful film universe. |
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So how is Fox supposed to have a shared universe when the guy in charge of said shared universe hasn't even spoken to anyone else involved? And one of the films is already in post production, with another in production. It's a joke!
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Days of Future Past is Singer pivoting and doing one grand finale for the original cast and handing off the franchise to the next generation in style. The Wolverine is basically going to be stand alone. So, why should they consult or connect anything at this point?
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They need to flush perception of those other FF movies the way the WB flushed Batman & Robin. FF done right will turn on enough of the box office juice. I can see Fox using their ace very fast and that's Galactus. He can be the global threat that brings the X-Men and FF together. It can also introduce the Shi'ar and Skrulls. If Guardians of the Galaxy hits, Fox will have the option of spinning X-Men off in to space. |
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And if this movie is good people will go see it not just fanboys. I guess I'm not as pessimistic as the rest about this film. With the right script and Matthew Vaughn helping out Josh Trank can turn this into an epic franchise. Quote:
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I just don't see why anyone would be so optimistic about this working at this point? Seems like a clusterf**** to me! |
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