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pr0xyt0xin 03-30-2013 06:40 PM

How old is Thor?
 
In the MCU, Odin prevents the Frost Giant invasion of Midgard in 965 AD. In that battle he loses his eye. He also adopts Laufey's son Loki in the same battle. If Thor is older that means he was already born. Shortly after both Thor and Loki are children.

Am I right in assuming this makes Thor and Loki just over 1000 years old? How long do Asgardians/Jotuns live?

Aztec 03-30-2013 07:19 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
They're gods. They're immortal. Although they can be reborn through Ragnarok.

pr0xyt0xin 03-30-2013 07:22 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Okay. I believe that for the comics. But the MCU?

How about Loki's quip in The Avengers "The humans think us immortal. Shall we test that?"

Not to mention it appears Odin is aging substantially in Thor. You think they are immortal in the MCU?

HR-PUFF&STUFF 03-30-2013 07:28 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
they aren't immortal in the comics. they can die otherwise why would they have an afterlife.

MCU 03-30-2013 07:42 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin (Post 25488213)
Okay. I believe that for the comics. But the MCU?

How about Loki's quip in The Avengers "The humans think us immortal. Shall we test that?"

Not to mention it appears Odin is aging substantially in Thor. You think they are immortal in the MCU?

Yes they are immortal in the MCU, he will not die from say aging I'm pretty sure. He can die in battle though, that's pretty much what Loki was talking about. Member in Thor also when he was like this mortal body grows weak, I need substance. And when his mother and sif talk about Jane they call her "the mortal".

Asteroid-Man 03-30-2013 10:25 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Also, if Loki, Thor or Odin die, they can be reborn through Ragnarok.

DrCosmic 03-31-2013 01:22 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aztec (Post 25488201)
They're gods. They're immortal. Although they can be reborn through Ragnarok.

They're aliens, remember? They age, so they aren't immortal. And how does Ragnarok work in the MCU?

OP was on point, "The humans think us immortal" means they are not. Thor and Loki are ~1000, though it clearly has no effect on them psychologically. They just learn how to do all their monstrousness over the years. Thor needing sustenance when not powered doesn't mean much, but the fact that they have banquet halls on Asgard does mean that though.

If Odin ages about ten years in 1000 years, then we could reasonably expect the natural lifespan of an MCU Asgardian to be ~10K years.

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Originally Posted by MCU (Post 25488295)
Yes they are immortal in the MCU, he will not die from say aging I'm pretty sure. He can die in battle though, that's pretty much what Loki was talking about. Member in Thor also when he was like this mortal body grows weak, I need substance. And when his mother and sif talk about Jane they call her "the mortal".

What's the alternative? He just keeps getting older and crustier forever? Aging = not immortal. When did Mom and Sif talk about Jane?

MCU 04-01-2013 08:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrCosmic (Post 25490993)
They're aliens, remember? They age, so they aren't immortal. And how does Ragnarok work in the MCU?

OP was on point, "The humans think us immortal" means they are not. Thor and Loki are ~1000, though it clearly has no effect on them psychologically. They just learn how to do all their monstrousness over the years. Thor needing sustenance when not powered doesn't mean much, but the fact that they have banquet halls on Asgard does mean that though.

If Odin ages about ten years in 1000 years, then we could reasonably expect the natural lifespan of an MCU Asgardian to be ~10K years.



What's the alternative? He just keeps getting older and crustier forever? Aging = not immortal. When did Mom and Sif talk about Jane?

Thor's mom and Sif talk at the baquet near the end of the film. Were Sif ask Thor's mom how he(Thor) is and she responds he mourns for his brother and he misses her, the mortal.

And I think thats pretty much that's how it is, they only get old in appearance but there not really dieing. That's how I picture it at least. I think they'll only really die from aging if say Odin would have gave his throne to Thor, maybe Odin just would have died since he wouldn't really be needed anymore to guard the universe. Like his time was up. But they can be killed in say battle, which was what Loki was reffering to. Like I think he meant, humans think we can't die at all, even in battle or say a billion feet fall lol, lets test that theory cause he knows thats not true lol. That's how I read when when watching it at least.

DrCosmic 04-02-2013 11:58 AM

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That's true that that's what Loki was referring to, and while they refer to humans as mortals, they may even think of themselves as immortal in comparison... but aging means they decomposition. Perhaps they extend their lives, even indefinitely, via Odinsleeps or whatever, but aging means they have to have a natural lifespan, just as when a projectile starts falling you know it's going to hit the ground unless something else interferes with it.

That's the only way I can reconcile aging with them referring to themselves as immortal, anyway.

Mr. Dent 04-02-2013 12:13 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aztec (Post 25488201)
They're gods. They're immortal. Although they can be reborn through Ragnarok.

Yeah, they're not immortal. They can grow old and die after a several millennia in the comics. They can also be killed.

Zarex 04-02-2013 12:40 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Though Asgardians age much more slowly in the comics, they could take a different approach in the MCU. It could be that the Asgardians age at the same rate as human beings, but time passes by more slowly in Asgard than in our dimension. If every day in Asgard was equal to 40 earth days, Loki and Thor would both be in their mid to late 20s. That could make for an interesting plot point - Thor returns to Jane less than two weeks after saying goodbye, but to Jane it has been a year and one half.

kedrell 04-02-2013 04:01 PM

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I think that'd be needlessly complex, IMO.

Octoberist 04-02-2013 04:04 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Ages are irrelevant in most movies unless it plays into the plot heavily. In some ways, the first 'Thor' was a strange coming of age story but Thor's age didn't really matter. You just assumed he was young (for his race of people) and reckless and that was enough.

metaphysician 04-03-2013 05:53 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Honestly, even in the comics, the Asgardians aren't "immortal" in the sense of *never* aging. They just age so slowly that it is, by and large, not an issue.

In the movies? Somewhere right around a thousand years old, it seems. Loki was obviously a newborn right at the end of the war with the Jotuns, and presumably Thor was roughly the same or slightly older. Its anybody's guess on how old Odin and his peers are, though.

Ant-manic 04-03-2013 08:23 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
mentally/behavior-wise, i'd say that he's in his early twenties.

pr0xyt0xin 04-03-2013 08:31 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
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Originally Posted by Ant-manic (Post 25515167)
mentally/behavior-wise, i'd say that he's in his early twenties.

I like that note. I'd personally argue mid-later twenties, but it gives us a good ballpark to say "Hey, if Thor isn't a 'god' as some seem to believe, because gods don't exist, and instead he's an alien (possibly from another dimension/universe, then how old will he live to be?"

Well, it sounds like he is already approx. 1000 years old. So if he ages in the same way as humans, he will likely live to be about 4000 give or take a few hundred years.

psylockolussus 04-04-2013 03:21 AM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Physical-wise, Thor and Loki are in their late twenties.

But Odin could be more than 100 years.

ArronT43 04-29-2013 07:01 AM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
bump.

ЯɘvlveR 04-29-2013 12:15 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
in thor, odin calls him a vain greedy cruel boy before casting him out.

Duran Man 04-29-2013 12:33 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
1000+ years old.

Superhero 101 04-29-2013 07:32 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
I don't think they are immortal b/c in Thor once Thor gets rescued by Odin after thor goes to fight laufey odin tells the warriors three to get fandrall to the healing room

xeno000 04-30-2013 01:45 AM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
It's possible to get an approximate age for Loki and therefore Thor from the events depicted at the beginning of Thor.


Loki was born circa 965 A.D. we know this because the last war between Asgard and Jotunheim was shown to have occurred then, on Midgard (Earth). Odin and his army drove the Frost Giants back to their homeworld, where the All-Father found infant Loki abandoned to die in the temple. Thor is only slightly older than Loki, so even accounting for slower aging he must have been born just a few years before. Loki is therefore approximately 1,048 years old and Thor is slightly older.


Asgardian mortality was proven by the fact that Loki was able to kill Thor with the Destroyer. In The Avengers it was implied that impact with the Earth in that glass prison cell after a six-mile plunge would have killed Thor or Loki. Also, the Frost Giants who invaded Odin's vault killed the Asgardian guarding it.

Baramos 04-30-2013 01:49 AM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
This thread basically just revealed that nothing in Thor made any sense--clearly all the Norse gods have been worshiped for thousands of years and yet Thor and Loki are only about a thousand years old.

I never even thought about it before.

MCU 04-30-2013 09:26 AM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
To everyone saying well they would die in battle so their not immortal; duh we get that already so stop saying that lol. What were talking about now is if they didnt die in battle would they pretty much just live forever and I say pretty much. Take Odin, I dont think he'll ever die(besides by battle) until he's ready to give the throne to Thor; when he won't be needed anymore. Thats immortal imo.

kedrell 04-30-2013 07:05 PM

Re: How old is Thor?
 
Immortality in fiction often can have many different meanings. I take the Asgardians immortality to be very long lived/slow aging and very difficult(by human standards) to kill but not completely incapable of dying. Then you throw in the whole afterlife schtick with Valhalla and Hela and her realm and then even death doesn't mean the same thing for them as it does for humans. And that's not even talking about the Ragnarok/reset button.


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