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theman 04-09-2013 02:04 PM

Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
I am not bashing the series at all, I did enjoy them but ONLY after I started watching them more as james bond movies. I guess im just spoiled because i grew up with the tim burton and Schumacher movies (by that i mean Batman Forever only), and the 60's batman show. those all had that comic book feel and were more, well, batman-y and fun. however i don't consider the Nolan movies as bad films, but i find they work MUCH better as james bond films since the whole tone and feel of them, even the villians like bane and Ras, and female villians like talia, are all much more like stuff you'd seen in 007 style movies, minus the fun. the titles don't even have batman in the title. the look of the vehicles, the gadgets, NOTHING is batman styled like they used to be. all except the little batarang things and that's about it. the only parts of the movies i thought felt "batman" were the batcave scenes and certain parts like that. luscious is Q, talia is really no different then the typical bond femme fatale, and even catwoman isnt very , uh, "catty". isn't even in her costume half the time. TDKR had even less batman then the other 2. the batsignal didn't even make an appearance (working that is). same with the batmobile (or "tumbler", ugh). all the cop sh** was boring and tiresome, especially in TDKR. i found that if i just thought of the recent films as james bond in a cape, its easier to accept and enjoy. that reactor thing was something straight out of a bond plot. but i really cant look at these movies as real "batman" movies. they are way too different and nothing at ALL like the comic books hardly. defiantly elseworlds if anything, like "what if batman was in our world" kinda thing. but the implosive bomb in TDKR, car chases, are all bond type stuff. not expecting anyone to agree with me but that's just how I feel about it.

Anno_Domini 04-09-2013 02:09 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
Nah, I'll watch them as Batman films, lol.

theman 04-09-2013 02:10 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
didn't read my post obviously.

The Joker 04-09-2013 02:11 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
I can't take this thread seriously at all.

Anno_Domini 04-09-2013 02:14 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
^ :up:

OutRiddled 04-09-2013 02:18 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
Depends what James Bond you are talking about. Definitely not like the old Bond movies. I haven't seen the Daniel Craig ones, so maybe that's what he/she meant.

The Joker 04-09-2013 02:19 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
I've seen and own all 23 Bond movies. I am a huge Bond fan.

Every single thing the OP mentioned can be found in the Batman comics. Even Lucius Fox and the R&D of W.E. being a source of tech for Batman's gadgets.

theman 04-09-2013 02:21 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
screw the comics that's not what im talking about. im talking about the style tone and "make" of the recent films. they are not styled at all like a comic book, and remind me more of how a bond movie tries to be realistic yet fantastical. this is what Nolan pulled off grandly but its not how a batman movie should be in my book. ive never seen any of the villians look the way they do, especially joker and such. too much was changed from the comic books. its like Nolan said hey I want to make a james bond movie but oh well ill just take batman and james bond-ify him so its not like a comic at all but more like an average action movie similar to bond. for me, a batman movie shouldn't be trying to copy the style of a bond movie but to be its own thing. now you cant tell the difference.

ThePhantasm 04-09-2013 02:28 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by theman (Post 25552891)
ive never seen any of the villians look the way they do, especially joker and such. too much was changed from the comic books.

Funny, because the cut-smile version of the Joker appeared in comics before TDK was ever made.

The comic books, by the way, don't have a single consistent interpretation of a character. The latest version of the Joker has his own face cut off and then reattached with a belt.

The Joker 04-09-2013 02:35 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by theman (Post 25552891)
screw the comics that's not what im talking about. im talking about the style tone and "make" of the recent films. they are not styled at all like a comic book, and remind me more of how a bond movie tries to be realistic yet fantastical. this is what Nolan pulled off grandly but its not how a batman movie should be in my book. ive never seen any of the villians look the way they do, especially joker and such. too much was changed from the comic books. its like Nolan said hey I want to make a james bond movie but oh well ill just take batman and james bond-ify him so its not like a comic at all but more like an average action movie similar to bond. for me, a batman movie shouldn't be trying to copy the style of a bond movie but to be its own thing. now you cant tell the difference.

In other words you personally didn't like his style and decided it was like James Bond?

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Of course, Batman came up. I asked Denny what he thought of BATMAN BEGINS. “The best of the live action Batman films, by a wide margin,” was his immediate response.
- Denny O'Neill

http://www.batman-on-film.com/interv...bray_2006.html


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Heath, who saw Morrison’s list and put it in his Joker diary. “He actually had a whole list -- blind babies, doctors, accidents -- really horrible stuff,” Morrison said. “Heath wrote it all down. So yeah, I can see there’s a lot of [‘Arkham’ and ‘Midnight’] in his Joker. The filmmakers have taken great pains to acknowledge the original comics they drew from, Morrison pointed out. With those shout-outs, sales for the originals have skyrocketed – not just for “Arkham,” but also Alan Moore’s “The Killing Joke,” Frank Miller’s “Year One” and “Dark Knight Returns,” and Jeph Loeb’s “Long Halloween.”

“David Goyer has said they owe a debt to us,” Morrison said. “And it’s really easy to see our influence. But at the same time, they also created something quite new and extraordinary.””
- Grant Morrison

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/08/04...s-joker-diary/


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I thought they did a really, really good job. I mean, I walked out of that movie with a smile on my face; I thought it was a really strong interpretation of the character, and they knew what to borrow from and how much. I got a major kick out of the fact that they used that bit where he calls on the bats to attack the cops and that sort of thing, and I loved Gary Oldman's interpretation of exactly the Jim Gordon that I'd written in Batman: Year One.
- Frank Miller

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2005/08/2...terview?page=2


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“I know there are different opinions on that movie. I thought it was interesting that when The Dark Knight came out it was just after the financial crash and you had this mass joblessness all over the Western world. I thought, ‘It is going to be quite hard to do a film about a billionaire hero who lives in a gigantic mansion and goes out to beat up poor people every night.’ Just think about it – Bruce Wayne is the guy who is firing people, he is not really one of us [laughs]. But to their credit they really tackled it in that movie. It was very, very timely: it was a tale of two cities and I thought it was on the side of the poor guys. When they were raiding the mansions and throwing people out on the street – and even at the end Bruce Wayne gave away his fortune. I thought Bane was the most compelling out of all the villains – right from the start I thought, ‘this guy is great.’ I thought the only thing that let it down a bit was the action: Nolan should go to movie jail for the Bane vs Catwoman thing at the end. But the rest of the movie was so brilliant that you could easily forgive him. I liked it better than The Avengers.”
- Mark Millar

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/02/01/mark...future-past/2/


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Yes, my first exposure to Batman as a character was Batman the TV series. But honestly, I didn’t know it was supposed to be a parody or campy. I thought it was the coolest thing I’d ever seen. Of course, I was 5 at the time. But all in one fell swoop, I became an instant super hero fan. Later on, as I got older and started reading more comics and getting into the super hero scene, I realized that the Batman show was kind of a comedy. I was reading Neal Adams comics and thinking, “Batman is kind of cooler than that show – he’s kind of scary and mysterious.” So my perception of Batman changed over time, and then I went through the periods with Frank Miller and the Tim Burton movies. So now I’ve got these warring Batmans in my head. I still love the Adam West/Batman show. I still love the Neal Adams take on Batman comics. I still love The Dark Knight. All of these things totally contradict each other, and yet it’s fine to me. I’ve said it over and over again – Batman as a character is such a strong concept, he’s the kind of character that you can take him in any number of ways and it still feels right. Batman: The Animated Series is a really good version of Batman. Batman: The Brave and the Bold – that’s a really good version of Batman. They have equal value.
- Bruce Timm

http://www.facebook.com/notes/batman...24092317631826


For movies you say are not made the way a comic book movie should, they certainly impressed a lot of notable comic book people.

Anno_Domini 04-09-2013 02:46 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by theman (Post 25552891)
screw the comics that's not what im talking about. im talking about the style tone and "make" of the recent films. they are not styled at all like a comic book, and remind me more of how a bond movie tries to be realistic yet fantastical.

You said screw the comics....and then you say they're not styled like the comics...

:huh:

OutRiddled 04-09-2013 02:57 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by The Joker (Post 25552997)
In other words you personally didn't like his style and decided it was like James Bond?



- Denny O'Neill

http://www.batman-on-film.com/interv...bray_2006.html




- Grant Morrison

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/08/04...s-joker-diary/




- Frank Miller

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2005/08/2...terview?page=2




- Mark Millar

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/02/01/mark...future-past/2/




- Bruce Timm

http://www.facebook.com/notes/batman...24092317631826


For movies you say are not made the way a comic book movie should, they certainly impressed a lot of notable comic book people.

The entertainment industry is full of sycophants, you should know that.

The Joker 04-09-2013 03:00 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by Anno_Domini (Post 25553085)
You said screw the comics....and then you say they're not styled like the comics...

:huh:

He's been banned, Anno. Just when it was getting interesting. I'd love to have read his comeback to that.

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Originally Posted by OutRiddled (Post 25553183)
The entertainment industry is full of sycophants, you should know that.

Of all the people on this forum, you are the last person I would listen to about speaking on the behalf of other people lol.

Calling all of these legendary Batman names sycophants is just an act of bitter jealousy.

shauner111 04-09-2013 03:01 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
I disagree with the OP. Nolans movies are different but probably the most accurate, thus far, to specific Batman comics and graphic novels than any previous Batman live-action film. Ill watch the trilogy as Batman movies thank you. James Bond in a cape? You're sounding silly. It's absolutely Bruce Wayne's character in a cape.

BTW Talia has always been like a femme-fatale Bond kind of a girl in the comics.

ThePhantasm 04-09-2013 03:09 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by Anno_Domini (Post 25553085)
You said screw the comics....and then you say they're not styled like the comics...

:huh:

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/...ps97f06753.gif

OutRiddled 04-09-2013 03:12 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by The Joker (Post 25553217)
Of all the people on this forum, you are the last person I would listen to about speaking on the behalf of other people lol.

Calling all of these legendary Batman names sycophants is just an act of bitter jealousy.

Yeah and so what? Bob Kane praised the Schumacher films. Even had his wife act in them. Yes, I know.. he's just a hack who stole all of the credit according to you. :oldrazz:

The Joker 04-09-2013 03:14 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by OutRiddled (Post 25553319)
Yeah and so what?

Sp people so heavily immersed in Batman for a living would be the most critical of what is good and what isn't. If they praise something then they mean it. They don't say it for the heck of it. Look at what Matt Wagner said about Burton's Batman:

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The Burton films were strong on atmosphere but obviously showed that Burton was more interested in the misfit villains than in his title character. In fact, BATMAN RETURNS is often credited as being a better film but I f***ing HATED how it made Batman little more than just another costumed creep, little better than the villains he’s pursuing.
http://www.batman-on-film.com/interv...jett_2006.html

If they don't like something they'll say so.

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Bob Kane praised the Schumacher films. Even had his wife act in them. Yes, I know.. he's just a hack who stole all of the credit according to you. :oldrazz:
No, not according to me. According to facts:

http://dialbforblog.com/archives/391/

http://www.thebatsquad.net/billfinger.html

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=336104

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6PqNyOTQoc

BatLobsterRises 04-09-2013 03:16 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
This thread is just another way of saying that Nolan treated these movies as action films, not "comic book" films. Which is exactly why people fell in love with them in the first place. It was exhilarating to see such a beloved, legendary character placed on a platform where you could buy into the reality of what was happening a bit. It gave everything more weight. And they've become so iconic in their own right that they influenced the Bond franchise.

Makes me proud as a Bat-fan.

OutRiddled 04-09-2013 03:21 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by The Joker (Post 25553339)
Sp people so heavily immersed in Batman for a living would be the most critical of what is good and what isn't. If they praise something then they mean it. They don't say it for the heck of it. Look at what Matt Wagner said about Burton's Batman:



http://www.batman-on-film.com/interv...jett_2006.html

If they don't like something they'll say so.



No, not according to me. According to facts:

http://dialbforblog.com/archives/391/

http://www.thebatsquad.net/billfinger.html

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=336104

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6PqNyOTQoc

Even Kane admits so. But it's not like he had nothing to do with Batman and only took the credit. He was key in creating Batman, along with Bill Finger and other people. If it weren't for Bob Kane, there would be no Batman. You're just using this old controversy to discredit Bob Kane and everything he says.

The Joker 04-09-2013 03:27 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by OutRiddled (Post 25553405)
Even Kane admits so. But it's not like he had nothing to do with Batman and only took the credit. He was key in creating Batman, along with Bill Finger and other people. If it weren't for Bob Kane, there would be no Batman.

Do you ever see anything other than 'Batman created by Bob Kane' anywhere? No, you don't. Unlike with someone like Stan Lee, who shares the creative credit of Spider-Man with Steve Ditko.

Read the links. The proof is all there. Why should anyone care what Kane says with such a dishonest background regarding Batman?

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You're just using this old controversy to discredit Bob Kane and everything he says.
Says the guy who waltzes in here and calls a bunch of brilliant and popular Batman writers sycophants for no reason at all.

You're such a hypocrite. I didn't even bring up Bob Kane. YOU did.

ThePhantasm 04-09-2013 03:29 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by OutRiddled (Post 25553405)
You're just using this old controversy to discredit Bob Kane and everything he says.

Um... weren't you the first person jumping to discredit Bob Kane in this thread?

OutRiddled 04-09-2013 03:53 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by The Joker (Post 25553435)
Do you ever see anything other than 'Batman created by Bob Kane' anywhere? No, you don't. Unlike with someone like Stan Lee, who shares the creative credit of Spider-Man with Steve Ditko.

Read the links. The proof is all there. Why should anyone care what Kane says with such a dishonest background regarding Batman?

Because he was the one of key people involved in creating Batman and also for the success of the comic in its early years.

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You're such a hypocrite. I didn't even bring up Bob Kane. YOU did.
You've brought up this issue in other threads, though.

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Originally Posted by ThePhantasm (Post 25553451)
Um... weren't you the first person jumping to discredit Bob Kane in this thread?

By saying that he supports Schumacher's version of Batman? I don't do that to discredit him.

Laderlappen 04-09-2013 04:05 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
Ill watch the movies the exact same way I watch every other movie I have ever seen.

ThePhantasm 04-09-2013 04:45 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by OutRiddled (Post 25553657)
By saying that he supports Schumacher's version of Batman? I don't do that to discredit him.

I thought you were bringing that up as another example of what you called "sycophantism." Not sure how else to interpret it in the context. So it was just a random aside / digression?

The Joker 04-09-2013 05:20 PM

Re: Best to watch the trilogy as Bond films, not Batman
 
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Originally Posted by OutRiddled (Post 25553657)
Because he was the one of key people involved in creating Batman and also for the success of the comic in its early years.

Not to the extent of Bill Finger. Not even close to it. And he lied about it.

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You've brought up this issue in other threads, though.
One thread, the Joker one, in response to YOU bringing up Bob Kane's opinion in the first place, just like here.


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