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blalex620 05-23-2013 06:16 PM

Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
While it's not confirmed if SW will be in DoFP it's pretty much assumed if Quicksilver's in it then she will be too. While I don't have a problem with this it will be interesting to see how they explain two different uses of the same characters in two different movies. This could be one of the coolest things ever or one of the biggest s*** storms ever. Best bet would be if Marvel and Fox got together and discussed the uses of the characters so they won't confuse the heck out of the GA and even us.

Edit: Sidenote I think Fox had Singer write the two characters into his story once Whedon announced he has them in his script for A2. Fox wants them to be associated with their brand first since they know DoFP is coming before A2.

Human Torch 05-23-2013 07:33 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
Personally,I'd much rather see QS & SW in an X-Men film than Avengers.I mean,Avengers has so many characters better suited for an appearance (Pym,Wasp,BP,Ms Marvel,and the list goes on) than them two.

I'd love to see both companies use the same actors.Even if they can't use names like Magneto or Mutant,it could still exist in the same universe.

metaphysician 05-23-2013 10:26 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
No, they couldn't. The universe at existing in the Fox X-Men movies is epically incompatible with the one portrayed in the MCU. Using the same actors wouldn't change that.

And the two belong where they've always belonged: with the Avengers, where they've spent the vast majority of their existence.

Human Torch 05-23-2013 11:08 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
I would'nt say it's incompatible,but it's a moot point since a "shared" universe is very unlikely.

psylockolussus 05-23-2013 11:47 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
I don't think FOX will also include Scarlet Witch just because they are already using Quicksilver in this movie. But if thats their plan, I hope its for the best.

Saitou Hajime 05-24-2013 12:03 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
We had two Snow White movies in one year, we can afford to have two sets of twins in separate years. IMO Marvel got the better end of the deal as the code names are expendable, while the birth names would've been essential to Fox in terms of the Magneto connection.

Silvermoth 05-24-2013 05:45 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
It's a pretty disgusting trick. Wait for joss to write a movie with lots of great character moments then crap on it so that singer can be a diva and have a 3 minute battle scene. I bet Pietro doesn't have any lines or anything.

I feel sorry for the actor out of all this. I think Fox will try to do to him what they did to Justin chatwin who had a very promising career once upon a time

cherokeesam 05-24-2013 07:47 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
I'd be willing to bet that Joss plays the better man and rises above this wankery from Singer. I wonder how much of the Quicksilver dig is Singer's idea, and how much is from Fox itself.

Either way, it looks like Bryan Singer is wanting to act out his Jack the (Jealous) Giant Slayer fantasy. And we all know how well *that* turned out. ;)

metaphysician 05-24-2013 01:26 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by Human Torch (Post 25916643)
I would'nt say it's incompatible,but it's a moot point since a "shared" universe is very unlikely.

Incompatible is exactly the situation. Vast swathes of plot in the X-Men movies simply cannot happen in the setting as detailed in the MCU. There's severe differences ranging from fundamental tone to the structure of government. To try and force them together would be an even worse fit than the X-comics are in the larger Marvel comics setting.

metaphysician 05-24-2013 01:27 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
As long as Joss isn't forced to actually rewrite Avengers 2, I don't really care too much if Fox wants to take some cheap shots that largely just make them look childish.

pr0xyt0xin 05-24-2013 09:06 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
Avengers 2 would have been rewritten anyway. Joss has only mentioned a first draft. At this point its just as likely that the twins are taken out as it is they stay in.

blalex620 05-25-2013 01:13 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin (Post 25923527)
Avengers 2 would have been rewritten anyway. Joss has only mentioned a first draft. At this point its just as likely that the twins are taken out as it is they stay in.

Nope not now. Check the home page Whedon just did an interview stating the two are definitely going to be in the movie and they're working on casting now. Looks like we'll really see at least Quicksilver in both films.

animex 05-26-2013 12:57 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
the x-men movies have made 1.8 billion dollars in worldwide box office and they will use the twins first. clever move. except for 1 little detail......

the avengers made 1.5 billion in worldwide box office, and that's 1 movie versus 5, singer and millar can say and do anything they want, but its just not going to make a difference with NO advertising, fox sells movie merchandise through diamond direct ONLY, now disney will sell avengers merchandise in just about every store you can think of, and ANYONE who thinks disney is going to push x-men merchandise is HIGH, especially with guardians of the galaxy coming out 2 weeks later, i like the x-men, but i am also a realist. DISNEY OWNS MARVEL LOCK STOCK AND BARREL, fox and sony own movie rights and NOTHING else. first class LOST money domestically, and barely made over 200 million overseas, and yet fanboys cling to to the hope that quiksilver and scarlet witch will help??? fox needs to stop now and save themselves the embarrassment.

Raiden 05-26-2013 05:17 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
I know that technically Fox can still use SW and QS because they're mutants and fell within the X-Men movie rights, but this is still a low-blow since it was Whedon who first announced that the twins will show up in TA2. But as long as we get to see them in Marvel Studios' Avengers 2 I don't really care if they will appear in DOFP first.

def28 05-26-2013 08:59 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by Raiden (Post 25932089)
I know that technically Fox can still use SW and QS because they're mutants and fell within the X-Men movie rights, but this is still a low-blow since it was Whedon who first announced that the twins will show up in TA2. But as long as we get to see them in Marvel Studios' Avengers 2 I don't really care if they will appear in DOFP first.

Barely anyone will. They are not the main draw to either of those films, and Avengers currently holds the box office power over all Superhero films.

animex 05-26-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by def28 (Post 25932545)
Barely anyone will. They are not the main draw to either of those films, and Avengers currently holds the box office power over all Superhero films.

FINALLY!!!!!, a voice of reason

Spider-Fan83 05-26-2013 03:11 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by Raiden (Post 25932089)
I know that technically Fox can still use SW and QS because they're mutants and fell within the X-Men movie rights, but this is still a low-blow since it was Whedon who first announced that the twins will show up in TA2. But as long as we get to see them in Marvel Studios' Avengers 2 I don't really care if they will appear in DOFP first.

just cause Whedon announced it first doesn't mean, Fox didn't already have plans on using him before the announcement... were they just suppose to write the character out of their script cause Whedon called shotgun

I mean, if it is true that they only decided to put him in after the fact, then ya its d!ck move, but, we don't know that for sure

blalex620 05-26-2013 04:14 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by Spider-Fan83 (Post 25934003)
just cause Whedon announced it first doesn't mean, Fox didn't already have plans on using him before the announcement... were they just suppose to write the character out of their script cause Whedon called shotgun

I mean, if it is true that they only decided to put him in after the fact, then ya its d!ck move, but, we don't know that for sure

While it is definitely possible that Singer always had the speedster in his script it's also just as likely FOX made him write him into the script because of Whedon. From FOX's standpoint it would perceivably help them if people associate the character or characters with them first. While we may believe people won't recognize the character as the same character in both films I'm inclined to believe the audience is not that foolish.

pr0xyt0xin 05-28-2013 12:38 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
All right. I'm trying to get back on board with the Twins in A2. Since Joss seems pretty adamant about it, for god knows what reason. I dont remember much clamoring for them, at least not opposed to other potential Avengers.

Anyway, I'm interested in the theory that they don't have to be mutants. As many posters have said. What is the other potential origin? I'm not too familiar with Avengers comics from that era. Something about Wundagore? Escape To Witch Mountain or something? Can someone help me out?

Raiden 05-28-2013 01:58 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan83 (Post 25934003)
just cause Whedon announced it first doesn't mean, Fox didn't already have plans on using him before the announcement... were they just suppose to write the character out of their script cause Whedon called shotgun

I mean, if it is true that they only decided to put him in after the fact, then ya its d!ck move, but, we don't know that for sure

I just found it hard to believe that with tons of characters already planned in DOFP, that Singer would shoehorn Magneto's son in there anyway. It feels to me like it was done deliberately and almost like a last minute move.

Spider-Fan 05-28-2013 11:42 PM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
If they both have the rights to the characters, I don't have a problem with this. I don't see the issue, honestly. They're not the same universe, and if Marvel decides to use the same actors, it would only serve to make geeks happy. How does them appearing in both hurt either? They have a rich history with both the X-Men and the Avengers. I say have at it! Especially if they have good ideas for them.

blalex620 05-29-2013 12:06 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by Spider-Fan (Post 25954481)
If they both have the rights to the characters, I don't have a problem with this. I don't see the issue, honestly. They're not the same universe, and if Marvel decides to use the same actors, it would only serve to make geeks happy. How does them appearing in both hurt either? They have a rich history with both the X-Men and the Avengers. I say have at it! Especially if they have good ideas for them.

I agree. I don't have a problem with them both using them. I just think FOX is only using them to get recognition which in a sense isn't bad but it could end up Quicksilver was shoehorned into DoFP if FOX really did do it for these reasons. But I'm hoping they didn't and Quicksilver was in Singer's script all along like they are in Whedon's.

psylockolussus 05-29-2013 01:01 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by Raiden (Post 25949757)
I just found it hard to believe that with tons of characters already planned in DOFP, that Singer would shoehorn Magneto's son in there anyway. It feels to me like it was done deliberately and almost like a last minute move.

And before the Quicksilver's announcement, it seemed like the Brotherhood in the 70s will just consist of Magneto/Mystique. Its not hard to believe that they would want to include more Brotherhood members in the movie if Quicksilver really ends up a member of the Brotherhood, especially majority of the film will take place in 1973.

Hawkingbird 05-29-2013 01:58 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
I'd actually prefer just the X-Men to have them. There's other Avengers I'd like to see before the twins, and I want to see them as mutants.

pr0xyt0xin 05-29-2013 02:06 AM

Re: Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
 
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Originally Posted by Hawkingbird (Post 25955385)
I'd actually prefer just the X-Men to have them. There's other Avengers I'd like to see before the twins, and I want to see them as mutants.

I agree with you. But I still want to enjoy Avengers 2 in spite of this fact. So I asked the question above.

How does their origin play out prior to being Magneto's children in the early 80s?

Can someone explain the Mount Wundagore/High Evolutionary stuff to me? I'd appreciate...


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