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Silvermoth 05-24-2013 04:50 AM

Who's side are you on?
 
Where would you rather the Maximoffs appear? I know there's a few threads on this but I want to see what the poll results are.

For me there's no contest. Avengers all the way

MessiahDecoy123 05-24-2013 04:54 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
As long as the character is done well, I couldn't care less about ”sides”.

I want both movies to be great.

Mr. Dent 05-24-2013 05:14 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Avengers 100%. Fox cannot do the characters justice at all. Not because their movies suck, but because the Maximoffs are not X-Men characters and don't work well in that world.

cherokeesam 05-24-2013 06:44 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
An old fart like me still fondly remembers 1983, when there were *two* James Bonds (Octopussy and Never Say Never Again). Didn't stop either movie from making boatloads of moolah at the box office. I'll be perfectly happy to watch both versions of Quicksilver, too.

But as far as doing an in-depth and meaningful portrayal of the character, there's no question that Whedon has made it clear that his Pietro has a larger and more important role for TA2 than Singer's Quicksilver cameo.

Dunno why Singer wanted to get into an e-peen pissing contest. Maybe the fanwar will generate more tickets than he was ever going to get otherwise (why hello there, Jack the Giant Slayer, Valkyrie and Superman Returns)

metaphysician 05-24-2013 12:29 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Fox will give us yet another cipher whose basically a super powered easter egg next to the actual main characters. Marvel will give us an actual character, with personality and importance.

Da Games Elite 05-24-2013 12:50 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent (Post 25918465)
Avengers 100%. Fox cannot do the characters justice at all. Not because their movies suck, but because the Maximoffs are not X-Men characters and don't work well in that world.

...what?

Sorry, but you do know that the Maximoffs originated in the X-Men continuity? Like, they share deep ties with that continuity. It's where they come from, and there are plenty of stories with them in it.

Yes, they are tied to the Avengers universe too, but that does not take away the fact they're still X-Men characters.

As for what "side" I'm on, I could care less. I love the X-Men and Avengers films a lot, so as long as the films are good, I don't care.

Tacit Ronin 05-24-2013 01:01 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by metaphysician (Post 25920627)
Fox will give us yet another cipher whose basically a super powered easter egg next to the actual main characters. Marvel will give us an actual character, with personality and importance.

You transplanted my thoughts in ink form.

def28 05-24-2013 01:02 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
If Fox could actually pull off Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver being Magnetos kids and not have them be in it as random henchman I would say both. But thats never been the case in these X films, and only Magneto and Mystique get the focus. So I would much rather see them in the MCU in Whedons hands. Not to mention they will be part of a much larger Universe of characters and films there.

In a perefct world though I would like them all to exist in the same world.

Mr. Dent 05-24-2013 01:13 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Games Elite (Post 25920823)
...what?

Sorry, but you do know that the Maximoffs originated in the X-Men continuity? Like, they share deep ties with that continuity. It's where they come from, and there are plenty of stories with them in it.

Yes, they are tied to the Avengers universe too, but that does not take away the fact they're still X-Men characters.

Every time I read someone say this I literally writhe on the inside.

Wanda and Pietro are NOT X-Men characters. This piece of misinformation based off of lack of knowledge on the characters' histories is annoying as hell to me. They are mutants, they are not X-Men characters. The reason Fox can use them is because they are mutants, not because they are X-Men characters. They are by every sense and context of the word, Avengers characters. Yes, they first appeared in X-Men, but that does not make them X-Men characters. The Inhumans, Black Panther, Ronan, and Nova Corps all appeared in Fantastic Four first, that does not make them Fantastic Four characters.

The Maximoffs are not just tied to the Avengers, they ARE Avengers. They're the oldest Avengers sans the original team. They have been Avengers for over 40 years. They have never been X-Men. They are in literally hundreds of Avengers issues and only a couple dozen X-Men issues. They've only recently even become heavily involved in X-Men storylines. What's happened in the past decade was NOT the status quo of the comics before then. The stuff with House of M and Avengers vs. X-Men is the most Wanda has ever been involved with X-Men.

Their ties with the X-Men do not run deep at all and are superficial at best. They were a part of the first incarnation of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants for 3-4 issues and then left. They were not integral at all. Until they became Magneto's children 20 years after they were first introduced they didn't even have any real connections to anything going on in the X-verse.

Simply put, the twins belong with the Avengers. Their origin can only be told by Marvel, They are historically Avengers characters and have very little interaction with the X-Men. There are decades of material with them being Avengers and AT BEST a couple years worth of them even being involved with X-Men storylines, let alone being a part of them. Fox cannot do the characters as they are from the comics justice whatsoever. They would be different people if they were to be used in X-Men films.

Zarex 05-24-2013 01:24 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Don't writhe, Mr. Dent. You could hurt yourself.

The good thing is, from Marvel's perspective, is that they control the storyline. Expect the Byrne reboot to turn Pietro and Wanda into the children of Magneto to be re-rebooted to tie into Whedon's plans for the twins. They could go back to being the spawn of married graduates of the All-Winners Squad, but given the team's absence from the MCU I would expect instead a highly publicized reinvention of the twins as original Inhumans. This will likely play a major part in a Marvel comics storyline before DOFP hits the theaters.

Mr. Dent 05-24-2013 01:36 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
I don't think they will be Inhumans. I think the brain slot will be the explanation of their powers. I also doubt Marvel will go so far as re-retcon Magneto as not being their father in the comics, although it would be a funny way to stick it to Fox.

T"Challa 05-24-2013 03:49 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
DoFP has at least a dozen characters that will be more important than QS. Singer just wants him for an action sequence. i doubt he gets more than 5 mins in that movie. Whedon however, has an actual arc for the Maximoffs in his movie. If i had to take sides, i would definitely be on Marvels.

There are many mutants with superspeed that Singer could use if he just wanted that ability. I can name 3 off the top of my head. I don't see why it has to be Quicksilver at all costs.

Anubis 05-24-2013 03:56 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Yeah, he should use Northstar instead.

jonathancrane 05-24-2013 04:01 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
I am excited that two superb filmmakers are going to deliver their own interpretation of a comic character. Each has their own aesthetic, and it is going to be a reward to see Quicksilver in context of each respective film. At the end of the day, the publicity is going to boost interest in the character, and sales of reprints involving the character (to an extent,) as a result, so it is a win-win for fans and the comic publisher.

Having noted my fanboy excitement, I do have to admit to feeling bummed out the ill will between the studios. Yesterday, when I was walking, I was mapping out the possibility of a shared universe between Marvel Studios and Fox - especially with Millar as their creative consultant-and was excited, especially after considering the almost built bridge between Marvel and Sony. Part of me knows it is impossible, but still hopes that one day all three studios can establish a continuity between their franchises.

T"Challa 05-24-2013 04:03 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis (Post 25922035)
Yeah, he should use Northstar instead.

Or even Callisto..she's already appeared in one of the movies anyway.

Anubis 05-24-2013 04:06 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Technically, so did Pietro. In that first Wolverine abomination. Though he wasn't named. But come on, fast kid, white hair? How could it not have been?

zeroapoc 05-24-2013 05:15 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Both. Or rather I don't care one way or the other. I stand to gain nothing from it either way, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

psylockolussus 05-24-2013 11:26 PM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Fox, because I consider Quicksilver more as an X-Men character for than an Avenger.

Anubis 05-25-2013 12:05 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
How so?

I mean he was an Avenger for years. He's never been an X-Man. He was in X-Factor for a little bit, but most of his 40+ years has been as an Avenger.

He and his sister just kinda happened to have been Mutants.

Mr. Dent 05-25-2013 12:24 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
^ Don't even bother trying to explain, people are just going to keep thinking what they want.

All this misinformation and misunderstandings of the Maximoffs are so annoying to us who know the history of the characters though. I was just watchign AMC Movie Talk and that Campea guy went on a rant about how Marvel is being stupid by having the twins in the Avengers because they don't belong there and are X-Men characters.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:


:facepalm:

Majik1387 05-25-2013 12:24 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Both, because it will annoy fanboys to no end. :oldrazz:



But also, I trust the Maximoff twins in the hands of Whedon and Marvel Studios, as well as a Singer driven X-Men film. Now if Quicksilver were to have been announced to appear in The Wolverine, then there would be my nitpick.

cherokeesam 05-25-2013 12:27 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis (Post 25924765)
How so?

I mean he was an Avenger for years. He's never been an X-Man. He was in X-Factor for a little bit, but most of his 40+ years has been as an Avenger.

He and his sister just kinda happened to have been Mutants.

Exactly.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were mainstays of the Avengers; core of the corps. Their 80s retcon into Magneto's brood led to some major story arcs, but neither Maximoff could be accused of being "X-Men"; or even Brotherhood, save for a few initial issues before joining the Avengers.

When you compare the number of times the characters appeared in the Avengers, vs. any X-titles, it's not even remotely close. Avengers all the way.

pr0xyt0xin 05-25-2013 12:53 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent (Post 25924853)
^ Don't even bother trying to explain, people are just going to keep thinking what they want.

All this misinformation and misunderstandings of the Maximoffs are so annoying to us who know the history of the characters though. I was just watchign AMC Movie Talk and that Campea guy went on a rant about how Marvel is being stupid by having the twins in the Avengers because they don't belong there and are X-Men characters.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:


:facepalm:

it's not a matter of "trying to explain," a lot of people realize the majority of QS and SW history belongs with Avengers.

But (and as the guy in the vid says) they are mutants. The have the x-gene. The x-gene is something that belongs in X-Men films. Avengers hasn't touched on it because they can't, and without it, they have to think up some other origin or no origin whatsoever. Those are my issues.

I think they need an origin. I think it should be an x-gene mutant origin. Therefore I think they should be in X-Men. That's as simple as it gets.

Even with cries of "Joss and Marvel will do the characters better!"
http://images.wikia.com/glee/images/7/76/Crying1.gif


I dont care. Quicksilver is not so important to me.

Mr. Dent 05-25-2013 01:24 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
The X-gene is not their origin, it's the source of their powers. They can easily change the source of their powers into the brain slot they came up with in IM3. And easy as that, them being mutants is solved. It's honest to god that simple. Them being mutants is NOT an integral part of their characters in the classic Avengers comics, it's just an explanation for their powers.

Their actual origin story can only be told by Marvel, because Marvel owns the rights to the High Evolutionary, the Wundagore mountains, Chthon/The Other, etc. Not that all those elements will be completely used, but if they were to keep it somewhat true to the comics, only Marvel could tell the story of their actual origins. Suffice to say, their origin does not stop at Magneto giving birth to them and actually them not knowing who their rea parents are is an integral part of the characters in the early comics and is meant to represent a theme of family and bond between siblings. Them knowing who their father is completely ruins that and turns them into completely different character conceptually.

So basically, all this about them being mutants and Magneto's children are non-issues that people don't understand because they know of the characters, but don't actually know about them and won't take the time out to research a little about them before going on silly rants like the one in that vid.

pr0xyt0xin 05-25-2013 04:19 AM

Re: Who's side are you on?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent (Post 25925095)
The X-gene is not their origin, it's the source of their powers. They can easily change the source of their powers into the brain slot they came up with in IM3. And easy as that, them being mutants is solved. It's honest to god that simple. Them being mutants is NOT an integral part of their characters in the classic Avengers comics, it's just an explanation for their powers.

Their actual origin story can only be told by Marvel, because Marvel owns the rights to the High Evolutionary, the Wundagore mountains, Chthon/The Other, etc. Not that all those elements will be completely used, but if they were to keep it somewhat true to the comics, only Marvel could tell the story of their actual origins. Suffice to say, their origin does not stop at Magneto giving birth to them and actually them not knowing who their rea parents are is an integral part of the characters in the early comics and is meant to represent a theme of family and bond between siblings. Them knowing who their father is completely ruins that and turns them into completely different character conceptually.

So basically, all this about them being mutants and Magneto's children are non-issues that people don't understand because they know of the characters, but don't actually know about them and won't take the time out to research a little about them before going on silly rants like the one in that vid.

http://69.195.91.203/wp-content/uplo...egnant-man.jpg


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