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ThePhantasm 06-15-2013 10:10 AM

Where Does Clark's Character Development Go in the Sequel??
 
Warning: big Man of Steel spoilers below.

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- I think Clark killing Zod should haunt him and affect his decisions in the future. He was clearly angry and hurt that he felt forced to kill Zod.

- I think Clark's new "trust" and "faith" in humanity should be tested as Luthor and others try to bring him down. It is Lois who keeps him trusting in humanity.


Other thoughts?

BobJM 06-15-2013 10:16 AM

Re: Where Does Clark's Character Development Go in the Sequel??
 
Clark's future

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Lois should be giving him leads & showing him the ropes as a reporter. Maybe Perry took a big chance on him, but Lois was able to get him a job at the DP--now it's just about keeping it. Clark was a good writer in high school, but he's been a drifter for his adult life; he doesn't exactly have on-the-field training.

This will not only build up the classic Lois & Clark dynamic (maybe he gets good quick, and now he and Lois compete for stories), but it will also play into the "human" side of Superman. That should be his struggle in MOS2. He knows his alien origins now, but he was born in Kansas...is he human?

That'll also tie in with Luthor's theme too. He rejects Superman because he represents everything humanity isn't. He has power that Luthor craves, yet Clark is really preoccupied with finding his place in this new world.

kalhawj 06-15-2013 10:44 AM

Re: Where Does Clark's Character Development Go in the Sequel??
 
Love your idea "ThePhantasm" definitely the route I would like to see they take Superman in MOS 2.

Tzigone 06-15-2013 12:59 PM

Re: Where Does Clark's Character Development Go in the Sequel??
 
Well, I have the spoiler tag the entire post, because how can I comment on where I want things to go without commenting on where they are now:
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Agree with you, BobJM, that Lois should be showing him the ropes as a reporter. As far as we know, he neither any training, experience, or education in the field.

I'd really like to avoid the the Lois-wants-him-to-use-his-powers-for-her-story thing. I dislike that idea intensely. Lois is very, very good on her own.

I can't decide if it would be amusing or annoying to have someone else see his lack of experience and wonder how he got the the job.

Obviously follow-up on the subset of the population that rejects Superman, those that might blame him for drawing Zod here, would be good to me. I'm not sure how I want Lex to play in in that. I mean, him using anti-Superman sentiment, even whipping it up further, seems quite feasible to me, given the themes of MOS. But they really gave Zod a motivation, a reason, for his nature, his actions. So what is Lex's reason for what he is doing - why does he hate Superman? What does he gain from destroying him? If they go the scienc-y route with Lex, would the codex in Superman's blood be of use to him?

As for any potential anti-Superman sentiment - I'd like to see that the DP made sure they put out Superman as hero. Because he is, of course. And Lois knows that he gave himself up and how he did this to save them at the expense of his own people being reborn. Not sure how much of that will be publicly available - what would Perry allow to be published? Unlike the beginning of the movie, the public is now willing take seriously anything Lois might write about it. It will be interesting how much the DP shapes pubic opinion on Superman. And how do the other DP staffers feel about him? Of course, this aspect on how soon after MOS a sequel picks up.

I am fervently hoping there is no mindwipe of Lois - and I don't think there will be. But a tiny part of me still worries, given her history. I want to see more of the Lois/Clark dynamic, of them learning more about each other. But we can't see all that, of course, because there's only so much time in a movie. Some of it will have to alluded to or implied. Or have already happened off-screen, between movies. But I'd like to see some, and some of the two of them being reporters - perhaps as a lead-in to a plot-point or action scene. I don't want really-dweeby Clark. I always liked the Clark-as-the-real-guy version. Well, most of the real guy, anyway. That way he can have real relationships, friendships, etc. But, since Lois does know the truth, he can already have that relationship, even if he plays the dork. But it they go that way I so want Clark and Lois to rehearse/try-out some of the dorky bits as a humorous scene.

How does Perry treat Lois in the aspect of her potentially knowing Superman's identify? Does he want to publish it? Or want her to consider it? No, I think he knows she won't (phone conversation in MOS), but how does he feel about it? Think it's just being a responsible journalist? And will we get some implication that he's a smart enough journalist himself that he can put those pieces together and see that it's Clark (but never tip his hand to them)?

Emotional issues over having had to kill are likely to plague Clark. I don't want that to overshadow everything else, but as a recurring theme and part of a larger whole, it could work well.

Lastly, I guess, I want to see how Clark reacts to having a permanent place. It seems he was a traveler before, he didn't forge new connections of any depth. He always had to ready to walk away a moment's notice, as soon as something happened? Now we the issue that he can put a costume and then go back to work afterwards. Does he maybe consider running when something happens? He is using his real name now, and I don't think he was before (he definitely wasn't as "Joe", but Lois' talk about tracking him down indicate he wasn't the other times, either, I think). I don't think running will come up - I think he's past that. But maybe. It's just an interesting thought, how making himself a permanent place might effect his non-Lois, non-Mom relationships.

mjdiddy1 06-16-2013 04:46 PM

Re: Where Does Clark's Character Development Go in the Sequel??
 
My only complaint with this movie was
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the revelation of Clark identity to Lois and Smallville essentially
but I imagine the writers had this in mine when they wrote this version and I trust they have a plan for the sequel.

Sun_Down 06-16-2013 05:36 PM

Re: Where Does Clark's Character Development Go in the Sequel??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePhantasm (Post 26116349)
Warning: big Man of Steel spoilers below.

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Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

- I think Clark killing Zod should haunt him and affect his decisions in the future. He was clearly angry and hurt that he felt forced to kill Zod.

- I think Clark's new "trust" and "faith" in humanity should be tested as Luthor and others try to bring him down. It is Lois who keeps him trusting in humanity.


Other thoughts?

This is what I'm thinking, too. The biggest thing will be how Clark and the world react to Superman's coming out party, as it were. I think Clark struggles with what it means to be a symbol, and humanity deals with feeling inadequate, trusting him etc. Clark will have to deal with living two lives and generally re-entering regular society.


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