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Vartha 06-19-2013 08:42 AM

Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
OK peeps, Compare the Avengers and Thor To Kal el's newest.
Personally Like I've said one or two buildings being fought through would have been FINE but after 5 minutes it was just ridiculous. People aren't dumb they get the fact it's going to be a mess, just get on with the film.

darkslayer101 06-19-2013 10:31 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vartha (Post 26154763)
I liked everything but most of the action scenes. WAY too over done.

Now BACK to THOR please. I'll even make a thread on comparing Thor to Mos

imo no one would be complaining if Thor: TDW would have the same length of action scenes as MoS...
I just hope Thor gets the super-powered action scenes he deserves. Something MoS nailed.

Rock Sexton 06-19-2013 10:55 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vartha (Post 26154797)
OK peeps, Compare the Avengers and Thor To Kal el's newest.
Personally Like I've said one or two buildings being fought through would have been FINE but after 5 minutes it was just ridiculous. People aren't dumb they get the fact it's going to be a mess, just get on with the film.

That was my take as well Vartha. I think it's great they went for a superhero fight on an epic scale ...... but there's a point it when becomes gratuitous and completely unnecessary. Only person I ever want to watch fight that long is Clint Eastwood's Philo Beddoe.

For the most part, I was perfectly fine with the movie right up until the fight broke out in Smallville (minus Pa Kent's death). Then it was just all downhill from there. Cheap dialogue is unleashed. The fights don't know when to end. It was a complete mess to me and wreaked of disaster porn. I was exhausted from the experience of watching it, not to mention extremely disappointed given my anticipation of the film.

Ms. Marvel 06-19-2013 02:22 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton (Post 26155547)
That was my take as well Vartha. I think it's great they went for a superhero fight on an epic scale ...... but there's a point it when becomes gratuitous and completely unnecessary. Only person I ever want to watch fight that long is Clint Eastwood's Philo Beddoe.

For the most part, I was perfectly fine with the movie right up until the fight broke out in Smallville (minus Pa Kent's death). Then it was just all downhill from there. Cheap dialogue is unleashed. The fights don't know when to end. It was a complete mess to me and wreaked of disaster porn. I was exhausted from the experience of watching it, not to mention extremely disappointed given my anticipation of the film.

It worked for the Transformers.

warriorking 06-19-2013 02:40 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
:doh: I felt really good after MOS walking to my vehicle knowing that although thousands died and cities were leveled at least the Kent family dog was saved at a cost that will truly benefit the family in the long run and will be remembered with pride....Books will be written, stories will be told around the campfire, and his name will live on throughout eternity.....

:wow: Sorry to vent but I really get tired of the senseless way lives are thrown away saving pets in todays movies...

Rock Sexton 06-19-2013 07:39 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ms. Marvel (Post 26157673)
It worked for the Transformers.

Worked according to whom? The booger eaters who loved all the sequels? I actually had no problems with the first one, you could tell Spielberg actually had input ..... but the rest were a hot mess.

cherokeesam 06-19-2013 07:46 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
I liked the direction and acting in MoS, and I'd love to see more superbrawls with that "true" kind of scale for the ubers like Kal-El, Thor, Hulk and others.

My main complaint with the movie comes from it taking itself so seriously and earnestly all the damn time. Lighten up once in awhile, y'know? Donner's classic movie was suitably epic and noble and majestic and all that, too, but it also tempered all that with some much needed comic relief. MoS had none of that.

I'd also highly recommend leaving the movie *just* before the ending. Nothing majorly spoilerific there, and it was highly expected, but I just have to say: **** Clark Kent, Mild-Mannered Reporter. Worst thing about the whole damn movie. They spent the whole movie bypassing 75 years of that "secret identity behind....a pair of glasses" bull****, the same way Iron Man bypassed 50 years of "he's Tony Stark's 'bodyguard'....wink wink" bull****. MoS *works* when it's just about Kal-El and his relationship with humans, particularly Lois Lane. To tack on the Clark Kent "disguise" at the end was so frickin' bogus. It does not WORK, Zack. Ditch that ****, seriously.

Rock Sexton 06-19-2013 08:14 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cherokeesam (Post 26161401)
I liked the direction and acting in MoS, and I'd love to see more superbrawls with that "true" kind of scale for the ubers like Kal-El, Thor, Hulk and others.

My main complaint with the movie comes from it taking itself so seriously and earnestly all the damn time. Lighten up once in awhile, y'know? Donner's classic movie was suitably epic and noble and majestic and all that, too, but it also tempered all that with some much needed comic relief. MoS had none of that.

I'd also highly recommend leaving the movie *just* before the ending. Nothing majorly spoilerific there, and it was highly expected, but I just have to say: **** Clark Kent, Mild-Mannered Reporter. Worst thing about the whole damn movie. They spent the whole movie bypassing 75 years of that "secret identity behind....a pair of glasses" bull****, the same way Iron Man bypassed 50 years of "he's Tony Stark's 'bodyguard'....wink wink" bull****. MoS *works* when it's just about Kal-El and his relationship with humans, particularly Lois Lane. To tack on the Clark Kent "disguise" at the end was so frickin' bogus. It does not WORK, Zack. Ditch that ****, seriously.

Ya, the scene at the Daily Planet at the end just had me rolling my eyes, especially after I had just listened to some Colonel yell at at Supes, "Are you effin' out of your mind?" and then the female soldier babble about how hot Supes is. Oh can't forget that throwaway scene of the girl caught in the rubble with Perry White looking on.

I was having a little bit of fun with the Krypton stuff (even though it was sped along pretty quickly) and it's just fun listening to Russell Crowe speak ..... I also liked the majority of the build up into when he turns himself in ..... but you're right, overall I did not have the kind of fun I should at a Superman movie.

The foundation was there for something good. I liked the Sci-fi element, a man in search of his heritage, and is the world ready for someone like Kal-El ...... but the execution and screenplay just were not there for me. I felt bad for guys like Cavil and Shannon, Goyer just gave them nothing to work with. Then there was the fact that Amy Adams seemed to jump from scene to scene faster than any of the Kryptonians could move. She was the biggest Deus Ex Macchina I've ever seen.

Ms. Marvel 06-20-2013 09:23 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton (Post 26161313)
Worked according to whom? The booger eaters who loved all the sequels? I actually had no problems with the first one, you could tell Spielberg actually had input ..... but the rest were a hot mess.

That's mean.

Vartha 06-20-2013 11:27 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock Sexton (Post 26155547)
That was my take as well Vartha. I think it's great they went for a superhero fight on an epic scale ...... but there's a point it when becomes gratuitous and completely unnecessary. Only person I ever want to watch fight that long is Clint Eastwood's Philo Beddoe.

For the most part, I was perfectly fine with the movie right up until the fight broke out in Smallville (minus Pa Kent's death). Then it was just all downhill from there. Cheap dialogue is unleashed. The fights don't know when to end. It was a complete mess to me and wreaked of disaster porn. I was exhausted from the experience of watching it, not to mention extremely disappointed given my anticipation of the film.

Well another thing was WHY were those people standing there Gawking?
I mean Yeah, I get it was like a 9-11 thing where people couldn't grasp the U.S. was being attacked, but it's the fact Supes and Zod had already been through a few buildings and chunks of wall were falling, I'd be at least running.

Mr.? 06-20-2013 11:44 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vartha (Post 26166517)
Well another thing was WHY were those people standing there Gawking?
I mean Yeah, I get it was like a 9-11 thing where people couldn't grasp the U.S. was being attacked, but it's the fact Supes and Zod had already been through a few buildings and chunks of wall were falling, I'd be at least running.

This happens in every movie ever though its not unique to MoS

Vartha 06-20-2013 12:35 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Well I guess I just found it odd. It just seemed to be alittle late during the fight scenes.

on another note one of the guys at the Immortal Thor boards found this

lol
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/346/gbtf.jpg

Tacit Ronin 06-20-2013 12:52 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
The first corresponding shots are really stretching the comparison. Superman is in the process of getting pounded on by the Kryptonian lunging at him, while Thor is getting knocked back from the destroyer. They are almost opposite actions. The last two are basic shot-reverse shot camera setups that can be found in every recent film ever made.

Vartha 06-29-2013 04:22 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darkslayer101 (Post 26155393)
imo no one would be complaining if Thor: TDW would have the same length of action scenes as MoS...
I just hope Thor gets the super-powered action scenes he deserves. Something MoS nailed.

I just seemed too repetitive to ME. I mean smashing through a building or two is one thing, but it seemed like it went on forever after the fourth time. I did like the fight scenes tho just alittle mix up on the way they were fighting would have been a bit better.
Like for Thor, I love the spinning and slinging stuff off the ground at an enemy but don't do it TOO often.
I'm hoping if they do give Thor the power to teleport to an area his hammer's flying but I hope they don't do it too much.

HighFivingMF 07-08-2013 01:19 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
They both have pretty capes.

ciscostudent561 07-18-2013 11:00 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
MOS had incredible fight scenes and feats. We can only pray that Marvel gives Thor his due respect in DW coming. So far they have exceeded my expectations but realistically everyone knows if Thor could handle an army of Frost Giants he'd stomp the entire Chitauri by himself without any help needed from the Avengers. Of course the geeky Thor fan in me wants to see some insane strength, elemental, energy blasting and yes even Speed feats from Thor in his next installment. (he did deflect Chitauri laser beams at the flick of a wrist)

time will tell.

herolee10 08-08-2013 03:46 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vartha (Post 26167119)
Well I guess I just found it odd. It just seemed to be alittle late during the fight scenes.

on another note one of the guys at the Immortal Thor boards found this

lol
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/346/gbtf.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img196/8438/sszi.png

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Cci...jpg_180611.jpg

Bren 08-09-2013 05:38 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Yeah, because there are millions of different ways to show two people looking at each other :whatever: :cwink:

I loved MOS... And if I had to sink to the level of unnecessary and silly fanboyism, well MOS Superman would kick the snot out of MCU Thor...

I hope Thor TDW is as good as I found MOS :woot:

herolee10 08-11-2013 12:21 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bren (Post 26599749)
Yeah, because there are millions of different ways to show two people looking at each other :whatever: :cwink:

I loved MOS... And if I had to sink to the level of unnecessary and silly fanboyism, well MOS Superman would kick the snot out of MCU Thor...

I hope Thor TDW is as good as I found MOS :woot:

I only found it funny since both of the titular characters have red capes and of the way that they were framed in that particular shot.

Bren 08-15-2013 05:39 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Thor is on the right.
Superman is on the left.
Thor is holding Jane
Superman is being held by Lois
Thor is looking her in the eye
Superman is looking her in the nose.
Thor is rocking excess locks.
Superman is balding.


Massive differences :D

TeeKay 08-24-2013 11:32 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vartha (Post 26166517)
Well another thing was WHY were those people standing there Gawking?
I mean Yeah, I get it was like a 9-11 thing where people couldn't grasp the U.S. was being attacked, but it's the fact Supes and Zod had already been through a few buildings and chunks of wall were falling, I'd be at least running.

:lmao: I hated those citizens who just stood by and watched the building Zod cut in half with heat vision crumble down :dry:

BigThor 09-12-2013 11:15 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bren (Post 26599749)
Yeah, because there are millions of different ways to show two people looking at each other :whatever: :cwink:

I loved MOS... And if I had to sink to the level of unnecessary and silly fanboyism, well MOS Superman would kick the snot out of MCU Thor...

I hope Thor TDW is as good as I found MOS :woot:

Tell him to kick the snot out of Faora first, you don't see MCU Thor getting his ass kicked by a girl. :oldrazz:

mwmillett 10-04-2013 06:04 PM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
MoS was amazing, I a die hard Thor fan, was dissapointed with the movie, but MoS just nailed the power discrepancy like no super hero movie has ever been able to do before. You could feel just how strong the Kryptonians were, the effects guy deserves a medal, I hope at marvel they learn something from it and apply the same techniques to Thor and the asgardians like the did for the kryptonians.

Batmannerism 11-08-2013 03:32 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Have heard from lots of fans of Thor, time for a response
from a Super-fan.

I started a similar thread, MOS compared to Thor TDW,
in the MOS thread. Here's my comparison. But I'll cut to the chase, MOS won
but not by a lot, as I really enjoyed TDW.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

First there's MOS. Like I said in the TDW review above, 9/10, mostly because I felt a personal connection to Superman, as a beloved character from my childhoodhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png - but also because he was a much more "human" character than Thor.

MOS is a darker film than TDW, and much more personal, it's about a man's quest to find himself.

So here's my comparisons, which include acting, visuals, romance and action.

Henry Cavill vs Chris Hemsworth = Slight edge to Cavill, Hemsworth is enjoyable as Thor, and looks the part. Cavill's Clark Kent is much more troubled, had a lot less dialogue to work with, and thus has to rely on expressions more, all up Clark is a slightly better written character
with a more relatable story (despite his great powers, he struggles with
issues that every person struggles with, in terms of coming to terms
with his place in the world).


Odin vs Jor El (Anthony Hopkins vs Rusell Crowe) = tie, two of the absolute cinema greats, both as the wise father role, possibly slight edge to Jor-El for kicking more ass (without superpowers, on Krypton)

Frigga vs Martha Kent (Rene Russo vs Diane Lane) = edge to Ma Kent. Russo does a great job, with a small (but highly significant ) role, but Ma Kent does a lot more, she's the rock of Clark's world, and helps us connect to his character.

Malekith v General Zod= hmmmm.... both are pretty apocalyptic characters with the single-minded destruction of the current world (and the restoration of their own world). Zod has a bit more dialogue to work with, and is a little easier to relate to, in terms of his obsession.
Eccleston does a great job with very little dialogue, and under a lot of make-up -the fact that he does so much with so little is a testament to his talents.
So edge to Zod, but mostly because Malekith has much less dialogue to work through.

NOTE: General Zod v Loki = not even close. Loki by a mile, Hiddleston is the stand-out performer in TDW, he's a better developed and more enjoyable character to watch.

Jane Foster vs Lois Lane ( Nat Portman v Amy Adams)= when I first encountered Adams (in previous films) didn't really like her as an actress, whereas Portman was a great talent from her very first film.

The Fighter, changed my mind about Adams, and while she and Portman both have damsel in distress roles, Adams is lot pluckier and more interesting. Usually I can't stand Lois Lane, but Adams made her an enjoyable character. Portman's Foster is good, but nothing special. Edge = Lois Lane / Adams !



romance= Thor and Jane, Clark and Lois. personally, I didn't feel like Hemsworth and Portman had much on-screen chemistry, whereas Cavill and Adams did. There's a lot less said between Clark and Lois, but what's said is more believable. Edge = Lois and Clark.


Krypton vs Asgard = Asgard has a real Star wars feel to it, (read the above review), and the sequences there are visually impressive. But Asgard is all sunshine, whereas Krypton is a dying world.

Both are equally compelling, and believable....something I never felt about the Star Wars prequels (those environments always looked a bit too fantastical). In fact, the visuals in Thor are as good as MOS, so tie.


Action= hmmmmm....tricky. The final show-down, in terms of scale is bigger in MOS (in respect of stuff being destroyed on Earth), however Thor TDW threatens the 9 realms.... However, the destruction in MOS
is just unparalleled, both from the Gravity beam and from the final Zod vs Supes punch-up.

The fight scenes in Thor TDW are good, but a bit chaotic, whereas MOS
is again, a bit clearer in terms of what's going on, but much more destructive.

Despite what many have said, I loved the Smallville fight scene, best superbeing on superbeing fight scene to date.

Edge: MOS.

Overall grades: Don't get me wrong, Thor TDW is an enjoyable watch
and the best thing Marvel's done this Year (waaayyy better than Amazing Spider Man, and better than Avengers) and Hiddleston is superb. I have never been a Thor fan, but after this film I've grown to like the character and his world a lot more.
8/10

MOS, slightly better performances (except of course Hiddleston, he could carry a Loki movie after this), and that I felt a greater connection to the character and his personal struggles (and of course, I am biased as having been a Superman fan since childhood). While Thor TDW was a very good movie, MOS was a great one. 9/10





There you have it.

ciscostudent561 11-08-2013 09:32 AM

Re: Comparing the movies Thor and Man of Steel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Batmannerism (Post 27172293)
Have heard from lots of fans of Thor, time for a response
from a Super-fan.

I started a similar thread, MOS compared to Thor TDW,
in the MOS thread. Here's my comparison. But I'll cut to the chase, MOS won
but not by a lot, as I really enjoyed TDW.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

First there's MOS. Like I said in the TDW review above, 9/10, mostly because I felt a personal connection to Superman, as a beloved character from my childhoodhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png - but also because he was a much more "human" character than Thor.

MOS is a darker film than TDW, and much more personal, it's about a man's quest to find himself.

So here's my comparisons, which include acting, visuals, romance and action.

Henry Cavill vs Chris Hemsworth = Slight edge to Cavill, Hemsworth is enjoyable as Thor, and looks the part. Cavill's Clark Kent is much more troubled, had a lot less dialogue to work with, and thus has to rely on expressions more, all up Clark is a slightly better written character
with a more relatable story (despite his great powers, he struggles with
issues that every person struggles with, in terms of coming to terms
with his place in the world).


Odin vs Jor El (Anthony Hopkins vs Rusell Crowe) = tie, two of the absolute cinema greats, both as the wise father role, possibly slight edge to Jor-El for kicking more ass (without superpowers, on Krypton)

Frigga vs Martha Kent (Rene Russo vs Diane Lane) = edge to Ma Kent. Russo does a great job, with a small (but highly significant ) role, but Ma Kent does a lot more, she's the rock of Clark's world, and helps us connect to his character.

Malekith v General Zod= hmmmm.... both are pretty apocalyptic characters with the single-minded destruction of the current world (and the restoration of their own world). Zod has a bit more dialogue to work with, and is a little easier to relate to, in terms of his obsession.
Eccleston does a great job with very little dialogue, and under a lot of make-up -the fact that he does so much with so little is a testament to his talents.
So edge to Zod, but mostly because Malekith has much less dialogue to work through.

NOTE: General Zod v Loki = not even close. Loki by a mile, Hiddleston is the stand-out performer in TDW, he's a better developed and more enjoyable character to watch.

Jane Foster vs Lois Lane ( Nat Portman v Amy Adams)= when I first encountered Adams (in previous films) didn't really like her as an actress, whereas Portman was a great talent from her very first film.

The Fighter, changed my mind about Adams, and while she and Portman both have damsel in distress roles, Adams is lot pluckier and more interesting. Usually I can't stand Lois Lane, but Adams made her an enjoyable character. Portman's Foster is good, but nothing special. Edge = Lois Lane / Adams !



romance= Thor and Jane, Clark and Lois. personally, I didn't feel like Hemsworth and Portman had much on-screen chemistry, whereas Cavill and Adams did. There's a lot less said between Clark and Lois, but what's said is more believable. Edge = Lois and Clark.


Krypton vs Asgard = Asgard has a real Star wars feel to it, (read the above review), and the sequences there are visually impressive. But Asgard is all sunshine, whereas Krypton is a dying world.

Both are equally compelling, and believable....something I never felt about the Star Wars prequels (those environments always looked a bit too fantastical). In fact, the visuals in Thor are as good as MOS, so tie.


Action= hmmmmm....tricky. The final show-down, in terms of scale is bigger in MOS (in respect of stuff being destroyed on Earth), however Thor TDW threatens the 9 realms.... However, the destruction in MOS
is just unparalleled, both from the Gravity beam and from the final Zod vs Supes punch-up.

The fight scenes in Thor TDW are good, but a bit chaotic, whereas MOS
is again, a bit clearer in terms of what's going on, but much more destructive.

Despite what many have said, I loved the Smallville fight scene, best superbeing on superbeing fight scene to date.

Edge: MOS.

Overall grades: Don't get me wrong, Thor TDW is an enjoyable watch
and the best thing Marvel's done this Year (waaayyy better than Amazing Spider Man, and better than Avengers) and Hiddleston is superb. I have never been a Thor fan, but after this film I've grown to like the character and his world a lot more.
8/10

MOS, slightly better performances (except of course Hiddleston, he could carry a Loki movie after this), and that I felt a greater connection to the character and his personal struggles (and of course, I am biased as having been a Superman fan since childhood). While Thor TDW was a very good movie, MOS was a great one. 9/10





There you have it.

9/10 for MOS?!
listen, Just like you, I felt Caville's rendition of Superman was awesome. This movie to me, was the best Superman showing, in terms of character and ability. but the movie around him stunk. The romance forced and really out of place... I mean it was just not a really good movie around Superman.


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