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Compi716 07-21-2013 12:28 AM

The Design & Origin of ULTRON
 
So...Age of Ultron. Looks like we know who's making an appearance in the film. But what should he look like? Is he a Pym creation, or this a Stark venture (I seriously hope not). Perhaps it's even the two working together, like in EMH.

Thoughts?

mocomic 07-21-2013 12:41 AM

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All they need to do is this.
Hank Pym inventive genius who works for Shield . Uses a AI similar to JARViS that has a humanoid-robotic vessel it downloads into. While Pym is working on phase 2 weapons based upon the Destroyer . It's established shield has the destroyer and also know LMd's exist . Is ultron that big a stretch?

All the stuff to create ultron exists I believe.

Also someone made the shield energy weapons in avengers. Pym is my bet.

Mr. Dent 07-21-2013 12:44 AM

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I'm thinking Iron Man creates Ultron going off the teaser. I think people should start getting ready to accept that and not be hung up over Pym not doing it. It works better in the MCU that way. Also, remember, in Wright's original Ant-Man script Hank Pym is old, so he might not be what people are expecting in the first place and he may never be Ant-Man.

cherokeesam 07-21-2013 12:45 AM

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My prediction:

1) Hank Pym creates it at the behest of the World Security Council, who want an uber-AI threat deterrent as an alternative to loose-cannon superheroes.
2) Thanos is able to take control of the Ultron AI from afar, and turns it into HAL on steroids, including a nifty "I Robot" self-replicating system to create an army of Ultrons.
3) Prior to this, and after IM3, Tony creates the Extremis Armor. Bad move. Evil Ultron is now able to hack into JARVIS and take over the suit completely. We see the whole Mighty Avengers saga where Ultron took over the Iron Man suit. (Probably leaves out the whole Nekkid Wasp angle, though. Pity.)

cherokeesam 07-21-2013 12:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent (Post 26415959)
I'm thinking Iron Man creates Ultron going off the teaser. I think people should start getting ready to accept that.

Nope.
The teaser just implies that Ultron hacks into JARVIS and takes over the Extremis Armor that Tony creates prior to AoU. Just like Mighty Avengers. (see above.)

mocomic 07-21-2013 12:50 AM

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Another thought Scarlet Witch has often been Ultrons undoing. If for no other reason than her being a wild card, the unknown if you will. Hated idea of AOU at first, Whedon can make this work. But I prefer they at least try a semblance of following canon.

STR1 07-21-2013 12:51 AM

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I think it will be Stark, as already stated. Or SHIELD with Pym playing a roll on the creation but not really much involvement until his actual own Phase 3 movie.

cherokeesam 07-21-2013 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mocomic (Post 26416047)
Another thought Scarlet Witch has often been Ultrons undoing. If for no other reason than her being a wild card, the unknown if you will. Hated idea of AOU at first, Whedon can make this work. But I prefer they at least try a semblance of following canon.

Makes you wonder if they're going ahead and shooting for the Scarlet Witch romance with Vision. A lot of us are assuming that's the big secret role that Vin Diesel is so happy about.

TheAQU4M4N 07-21-2013 12:55 AM

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so the teaser is just basically Ultron being activated?

TheAQU4M4N 07-21-2013 12:55 AM

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I think Tom Kane needs to be on board for this.

Mr. Dent 07-21-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cherokeesam (Post 26415985)
Nope.
The teaser just implies that Ultron hacks into JARVIS and takes over the Extremis Armor that Tony creates prior to AoU. Just like Mighty Avengers. (see above.)

Whatever. You can deny it all you want to, we'll see soon enough.

Specter313 07-21-2013 01:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Dent (Post 26415959)
I'm thinking Iron Man creates Ultron going off the teaser. I think people should start getting ready to accept that and not be hung up over Pym not doing it. It works better in the MCU that way. Also, remember, in Wright's original Ant-Man script Hank Pym is old, so he might not be what people are expecting in the first place and he may never be Ant-Man.

I think that's jumping to conclusions based off the most miniscule amount of information available on something that may never be seen by the general public.

Mr. Dent 07-21-2013 01:46 AM

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I think it's my opinion. :whatever:

Specter313 07-21-2013 01:47 AM

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Kinda goes beyond being an opinion when you tell everyone else they have to accept it and move on.

Mr. Dent 07-21-2013 01:50 AM

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I think people should.

I'm not telling anyone anything. It's called a suggestion. I obviously can't force you to do anything behind my laptop. :whatever:

jaqua99 07-21-2013 01:54 AM

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Stark isn't creating Ultron. No way. I personally think he has already been created. We start seeing him soon. As an AI. I don't think he will be created then defeated in avengers 2. I think he'll be slightly built up till avengers 2, as we find out what he wants, and why he exists. Then in antman we find out his origin. There'd be no point to pym.

I think that teaser was just revealing ultron, and how he manipulated a damaged man, or damaged a man to the point where he took over. Or they just used his helmet cause it'd be a cool effect...it can be seen where Ultron got personal with tony, To the point where hey, what if Ultron was this AI that was created and defeated by pym, but it still existed, without a body though, and has been waiting for the right chance/opportunity to take the world?

Little theory that some type of AI was being used by Mandarin, to control his soldiers, and the suits, hell, the interior of the iron patriot, the HUD was different, a different color, which made me think, different AI..Ultron couldd have fallen into that, and he sort of aligned himself with the Mandarin, through Ultron's somewhat influences, the events of Ironman 3 were caused by him. Stark, the only other man who seems to have a high tech AI. He manipulates things completely to the point where this man no longer has any ironman suits, not to mention, left him mentally unstable. Ultron slowly becomes more and more prominent through the show, and in Cap 2. By Avengers 2, we know this AI exists, and what it wants. and, there it is



that's what I think, well, what I would imagine be a way to do it.

blalex620 07-21-2013 02:47 AM

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My thoughts from another post:

That actually does make a perfect starting point for an Ultron as the villain Avengers movie. It actually allows for Ultron to still have been created by Pym too. I think about it like this: The Ultron A.I. somehow get's out and goes to the most tech advanced place: Stark's lab. There it overrides one of his suits taking it and fashioning his body out of it. Then a whole bunch of other stuff ensues. There's three places to go from here. 1) They could introduce the Pym's before they become heroes. Stark could go to Hank for advice on how to stop Ultron since he built the A.I. It could only be a cameo role. 2) They could introduce the Pym's as heroes in the final battle against Ultron. 3) They could give no indication of where Ultron came from and just have the Avengers figure out a way to defeat it on their own.

Option 1 would honestly be the best, imo, because it would allow Ant-Man to delve into the repercussions of Ultron on Pym and his subsequent decision to become a hero to never let something like Ultron happen again. This would be assuming Edgar Wright is up to making Ant-Man a continuation of Avengers.

gkokujin 07-21-2013 03:08 AM

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Stark can have a hand in creating him like in A:EMH... the Jarvis program can be a base.


oh and in Ultrons mouth, there MUST BE KIRBY KRACKLE...I will not accept it any other way!!!!

SilentWarriorZ 07-21-2013 03:53 AM

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ultron vs jarvis

ironman_rick 07-21-2013 05:11 AM

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Jarvis pretty much had a big role at the climax of IM3.... (It was the one who took out pretty much most of the soliders).

My take..... :woot:, Jarvis gets corrupted and eventually will create ultron. :wow:

SilentWarriorZ 07-21-2013 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ironman_rick (Post 26418029)
Jarvis pretty much had a big role at the climax of IM3.... (It was the one who took out pretty much most of the soliders).

My take..... :woot:, Jarvis gets corrupted and eventually will create ultron. :wow:

I was thinking someone would bring that up eventually :yay:

Hyde 07-21-2013 07:06 AM

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As for the argument on whether Stark or Pym will create Ultron...

Two words: time travel.

Bren 07-21-2013 08:43 AM

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Stark offered Banner the opportunity to come work for him. I really wouldn't mind if we find out Hank Pym was another 'genius' offered the same and is working at Stark R&D. He is working on advanced AI based on existing brainwave activity, as Stark wants the AI to mimic his own behaviour. As such, Pym has access to the IM tech.

Perhaps he then uses his own brainwaves for one attempt because a) he has an ego, and b) doesn't really believe Stark is the best example to use.

Hello Ultron.

I think this could be done in an opening scene where Stark is walking the other Avengers around his classified R&D facility to show off how he means to ensure being outnumbered, will never be a worry again - He introduces Pym etc - The others express concern about an AI running around.
Stark replies with "any more than the concern half the world has with US running around?"

Just throwing ideas around.

R_Hythlodeus 07-21-2013 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gkokujin (Post 26417413)

oh and in Ultrons mouth, there MUST BE KIRBY KRACKLE...I will not accept it any other way!!!!

I agree x100

TheFuture 07-21-2013 09:58 AM

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I can't see Tony being the one who creates Ultron, that is, unless, he's done it already.

Tony being involved in Ultron's creation doesn't really fly with the end of IM3. He's already had his paranoid phase of creating as much as he can in anticipation of another disaster happening, and it's a phase he had gotten over by the end of the film.

I'm sure one of Tony's suits will indeed be corrupted; I just don't think Tony himself will be involved in it.

I also think that Tony is at a stage in the MCU where he would be very much aware of the potential dangers of creating such a being. So yeah, I don't think he has the inclination or the arrogance to create Ultron.


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