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Xak-Ell 08-07-2013 12:26 PM

Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
people keep saying that MoS lacks the green rock but thats because the rock isn't green or even a rock at all. i think that kryptonite is the kryptonian atmosphere. Clark's body has adapted to earth's atmosphere. and the kryptonian air is lethal to him. and the argument can be made that it can't be turned into the kryptonite we all know and love, but think about this for a second: aire can be liquefied and liquids can be solidified. and in the sequel we know that it is highly likely for two of the world's greatest minds to be present. it'd be crazy for one to not assume that one of the two won't figure out a way to make it happen

DigificWriter 08-07-2013 07:18 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
The differences between the atmosphere of Krypton and the atmosphere of Earth might have the same effect that Kryptonite does does in other versions of the Superman story, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing as Kryptonite.

The MoS-Verse/DCCU has made it so that the Kryptonian atmosphere serves as an equivalent to Kryptonite, at least for Superman, but it still lacks the 'genuine article', as it were.

Xak-Ell 08-07-2013 08:29 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by DigificWriter (Post 26582503)
The differences between the atmosphere of Krypton and the atmosphere of Earth might have the same effect that Kryptonite does does in other versions of the Superman story, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing as Kryptonite.

The MoS-Verse/DCCU has made it so that the Kryptonian atmosphere serves as an equivalent to Kryptonite, at least for Superman, but it still lacks the 'genuine article', as it were.

it's still a nice little (and clever) departure from the classic incarnation.

Kal-El.9859 08-07-2013 09:36 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
You think too much

DigificWriter 08-07-2013 09:49 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by Kal-El.9859 (Post 26583739)
You think too much

What was the point of this post other than trolling and disrupting the thread?

The atmosphere of Krypton having an adverse, weakening effect on Superman does make it an equivalent to Kryptonite even though the substance itself doesn't exist within the MoS-Verse/DCCU.

The Guard 08-07-2013 10:04 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
The planet Krypton exploded into pieces at the beginning, didn't it?

Therefore, wouldn't there be Kryptonite in the film somewhere?

DigificWriter 08-07-2013 10:40 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
^ There should certainly be debris, but whether or not it would have the same effect as the Kryptonian planetary fragments we refer to as Kryptonite - an effect approximated by Kryptonian atmospheric differences from those of Earth - remains to be seen.

Smashlilman 08-07-2013 11:50 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by The Guard (Post 26584065)
The planet Krypton exploded into pieces at the beginning, didn't it?

Therefore, wouldn't there be Kryptonite in the film somewhere?


When Zod warped way from Krypton they sucked some debris from the planet with them. Then when the came out of the warp the debris got scattered. This happens right before they find the World engine on that dead Kryptonian outpost. The only problem i see with that is that the only way for that debris to reach earth is for that outpost to be somewhere in our solar system.

kalelvis 08-08-2013 12:32 AM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
I think that would be an interesting approach to kryptonite especially considering there is a lot of altered ecological material laying around the southern Indian ocean just waiting to be discovered.

Kal-El.9859 08-08-2013 02:02 AM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by DigificWriter (Post 26583901)
What was the point of this post other than trolling and disrupting the thread?

The atmosphere of Krypton having an adverse, weakening effect on Superman does make it an equivalent to Kryptonite even though the substance itself doesn't exist within the MoS-Verse/DCCU.

Wrong....
Snyder has said that it DOES exist. ..Superman just didn't encounter it in that movie. I just think this is a pointless thread when it can be discussed in the All Things Superman thread. Every single topic or idea you have doesn't need it's own thread

DigificWriter 08-08-2013 02:06 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
^ Snyder said he never said it DIDN'T EXIST. He's never 100% confirmed that it does, either, though.

You don't have to participate in these types of discussions, and your obvious trolling doesn't help anything.

Kal-El.9859 08-08-2013 07:35 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by DigificWriter (Post 26589409)
^ Snyder said he never said it DIDN'T EXIST. He's never 100% confirmed that it does, either, though.

You don't have to participate in these types of discussions, and your obvious trolling doesn't help anything.

far from trolling...it's just stupid to create a thread because you had an idea. I had an idea too but I didn't create a thread just for it. I discuss it in the All Things Superman thread. It's that simple....

Lead Cenobite 08-08-2013 08:35 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
I see Kryptonian atmosphere more as an expansion of red sun radiation. Whereas before, it was only the gravity and the sun that affected Kryptonians by either giving them powers or taking them away, here it's also the atmosphere.

John-An 08-08-2013 09:56 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by Lead Cenobite (Post 26592461)
I see Kryptonian atmosphere more as an expansion of red sun radiation. Whereas before, it was only the gravity and the sun that affected Kryptonians by either giving them powers or taking them away, here it's also the atmosphere.

The kryptonian atmosphere is a consecuence from the Red Son... Jor-el itself explained... Superman is not weaked like with kryptonite.. only put as if kryptonians were in the red sun atmosphere...

AnneFan 08-08-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by juansuperiron20 (Post 26593173)
The kryptonian atmosphere is a consecuence from the Red Son... Jor-eń itself explained... Superman is not weaked like with kryptonite.. only put as if kryptonians were in the red sun atmosphere...

Indeed. Both take away his powers, but the kryptonite puts Superman in pain and slowly kills him. In the atmosphere setting he’s free and able to move around, after the initial 'getting used to' period.

I like it when Superman’s powers are taken away from him. It makes things interesting and rewarding when they come back. I got a laugh when Cavill-man sat up from the table with ease and did his thing.

Batmannerism 08-11-2013 06:39 AM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
I tend to agree with those of you who said that instead of the glowing green stuff, Snyder and co are using the Krypton atmospherics to weaken Supes.
It's a basic rule of Superman stories, you either have villains with comparable powers, or you weaken Superman. (can't see Snyder/Nolan bringing in magic, well at least I hope not).
The world engine would be hard to salvage, after it exploded !


Sounds fair to me, maybe "Red Sun" solar radiation (same wavelength as Rao) will feature.
Which I suppose a guy like Luthor could work out. If he could work out the position of Krypton, he could locate its sun, and then work out what particular wavelengths of light it put out (then again those would probably thousands if not millions of years old). Hey, it's a movie about Superman, so really, it only needs to sound plausible, not actually be plausible.

Or what about this. The scout ship crashed in metropolis. It would still contain kryptonian tech, maybe something in that ship gives off radiation that Kal is particularly sensitive to ? Maybe even a weapon of some kind (like those blasters).

Peace people, bring on MOS 2.

DigificWriter 08-11-2013 10:39 AM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
The Kryptonian atmosphere is only dangerous to Clark because he was raised on Earth and acclimated to its environment. It still serves the same basic purpose as Kryptonite, though, because it weakens him physically.

Lead Cenobite 08-11-2013 12:15 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
Although the thing with kryptonite is it is(traditionally) depicted as being harmless to humans, whereas kryptonian gravity and atmosphere would kill a human.

John-An 08-11-2013 12:40 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by DigificWriter (Post 26612309)
The Kryptonian atmosphere is only dangerous to Clark because he was raised on Earth and acclimated to its environment. It still serves the same basic purpose as Kryptonite, though, because it weakens him physically.

No.. only he had the reaction because he wasn't used to but after the dream scene superman doesn't look sick...

N7 Joseph Shepard 08-11-2013 02:56 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by DigificWriter (Post 26589409)
^ Snyder said he never said it DIDN'T EXIST. He's never 100% confirmed that it does, either, though.

You don't have to participate in these types of discussions, and your obvious trolling doesn't help anything.

Actually yes he has on many occasions, he never used the words that it does not exist, but that it is not used in any way shape or form in Man Of Steel.

The point of Kryptonite is that it's pieces of Krypton that been exposed to endless amounts of radiation in space during its trip from Krypton to Earth, that's what makes it deadly, not that it's from Krypton alone.

Superman was weak because they didn't come out and say it but the Black Zero has a Red Sun type environment, that's what weakened him and that's what was being pumped out of the World Engine.

titansupes 08-12-2013 05:59 AM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by Lead Cenobite (Post 26592461)
I see Kryptonian atmosphere more as an expansion of red sun radiation. Whereas before, it was only the gravity and the sun that affected Kryptonians by either giving them powers or taking them away, here it's also the atmosphere.

Exactly.

lylenhu 08-23-2013 04:21 AM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
Yes, I think so.

Nave 'Torment' 08-26-2013 12:46 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
That's a really interesting way of looking into it -- I thought that the atmosphere explanation was simply another addition to the Superman mythos -- that is, a much more realistic approach where you consider the biological and environmental implications of alien beings.

It has teh same effect as Kryptonite, but I guess it wouldn't become Kryptonite until Batman coins the damn term and creates some.

John-An 08-26-2013 09:29 PM

Re: Man of Steel does have kryptonite
 
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Originally Posted by Nave 'Torment' (Post 26732265)
That's a really interesting way of looking into it -- I thought that the atmosphere explanation was simply another addition to the Superman mythos -- that is, a much more realistic approach where you consider the biological and environmental implications of alien beings.

It has teh same effect as Kryptonite, but I guess it wouldn't become Kryptonite until Batman coins the damn term and creates some.

I don't think so... kryptonite affects superman and weaks him more than the red sun(that only put him as a human) and could kill him with it's radiation..

Nave 'Torment' 08-27-2013 02:58 PM

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That doesn't really contradict with what I said... ?


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