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smallville fan 10-03-2013 08:37 AM

What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Ok, so we know about that infamous quote and antagonistic encounter/fight between Superman and Batman etc

What other stuff could we see potentially carry over? Either thematically, plot-wise, symbolically etc etc

For example, could we see Batman drive a tank? Could we also see him in that armor? Could we see the media and news-people as seen in the animated movie/comic?

You get the idea.

SpideyFan866 10-03-2013 08:44 AM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Well. There's a few key elements that I expect to be used:


1) Batman will be a veteran, having already been Batman for a some time.

2) Batman will be a wanted vigilante.

And

3) Superman will have aligned himself with the government.

Rowsdower! 10-03-2013 09:33 AM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
David Endocrine

shauner111 10-03-2013 10:23 AM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Superman's not going to be anything like Frank Miller's version. He wont be working with the government like that.

As for the tank? The tumbler was pretty much Nolan's nod to that tank. Ill say that Affleck's Batman will drive a more traditional batmobile.

I don't think anything will be carried over from TDKReturns other than Batman being older (in his 40s instead of his 50s though) and the potential fight with Superman.

Everything else will be a new story. A good chunk of Returns was used in The Dark Knight Rises so it wouldn't be wise to use too much other than the final act with Superman.

Steyin 10-03-2013 10:29 AM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Hopefully none as it is my most hated comic.

Rorschach2012 10-03-2013 11:24 AM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Your most hated comic? It's controversial, especially if you're a Superman fan, but it's a great story.

I hope they take more inspiration from Hush and TLH for Batman

Eddie Dean 10-03-2013 11:50 AM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Batman on a mother****in' horse.

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...ps77924b70.jpg

Senator Pleasury 10-03-2013 12:01 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rowsdower! (Post 26951381)
David Endocrine

Finally!

Dk1201 10-03-2013 12:11 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steyin (Post 26951571)
Hopefully none as it is my most hated comic.

I have to agree I am not a Miller fan sorry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rorschach2012 (Post 26951843)
Your most hated comic? It's controversial, especially if you're a Superman fan, but it's a great story.

I hope they take more inspiration from Hush and TLH for Batman

THIS

Rorschach2012 10-03-2013 12:45 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie Dean (Post 26951981)

I always liked how Batman looked on a dark horse. A proper black knight.

shauner111 10-03-2013 01:36 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rorschach2012 (Post 26951843)
Your most hated comic? It's controversial, especially if you're a Superman fan, but it's a great story.

I hope they take more inspiration from Hush and TLH for Batman

Hush is overrated and Long Halloween has been done enough with TDK.

They need to look to the stories that Nolan didn't touch. I don't mind the last part of Returns as long as it's just the Superman stuff, but they really need to move away from the Nolanverse. That's the whole point of rebooting an entire franchise, so you do something drastically different from what came before. Even down to its influences.

random_havoc 10-03-2013 01:47 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steyin (Post 26951571)
Hopefully none as it is my most hated comic.

There are some comics I hate more, but yeah I agree Dark Knight Returns is utter garbage. From art to story to everything else. Garbage.

Eddie Dean 10-03-2013 01:55 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Frank Miller's art is not garbage. It's stylized and you may not like it, but his art is not garbage.

shauner111 10-03-2013 03:03 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by random_havoc (Post 26952805)
There are some comics I hate more, but yeah I agree Dark Knight Returns is utter garbage. From art to story to everything else. Garbage.

How could one of the most influential, if not THE most influential Batman story to emerge since the 80's, which paved the way to so much...be "utter garbage"??? :doh:

Rorschach2012 10-03-2013 04:57 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shauner111 (Post 26952715)
Hush is overrated and Long Halloween has been done enough with TDK.

They need to look to the stories that Nolan didn't touch. I don't mind the last part of Returns as long as it's just the Superman stuff, but they really need to move away from the Nolanverse. That's the whole point of rebooting an entire franchise, so you do something drastically different from what came before. Even down to its influences.

They took some story elements from TLH sure, but the portrayal of Batman was pretty different. The Nolan Batman was too realistic. If they're going for a more comics oriented and less realistic Batman, the perfect place to start looking is Hush and TLH, same with Court of Owls.

Batmannerism 10-03-2013 05:07 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shauner111 (Post 26953391)
How could one of the most influential, if not THE most influential Batman story to emerge since the 80's, which paved the way to so much...be "utter garbage"??? :doh:


Just to jump on the bandwagon....DKR is probably THE ultimate Batman
story. That was an amazing time in the world of comics, Moore's Watchmen and Miracleman, Miller's DKR and Elektra Assassin, were pushing the boundaries of the genre, they weren't just edgy, they were the edge.

If you take DKR and Batman Year One together you have the perfect bookends to Batman's story.

Having said all that I would like to see.....NONE OF DKR in the movie.

If the film is really a BM vs SM story, then it needs different source
material.

The Superman/Batman relationship in DKR is not a "first-time" meeting.
It's a huge philosophical divide, caused by decades of conflict over their
methods. It's a friendship soured with age and bitterness. That's what makes the final fist-fight so powerful....for all the Batfans, sorry, but Superman was holding back - he wasn't trying to kill Batman, or even hurt him (which is why Batman got broken ribs rather than splattered all over the street, or incinerated with heat vision)
Batman overcomes him with cunning (Batman's greatest weapon, which , as Superman in Grant Morrisons' JLA story, said makes him the most dangerous man on earth). Bats knew Superman wasn't going to
let loose at full force, he's predictable, which is what allowed him to
lure him into position for the kryptonite arrow. Yes, Batman won that one
, go Batman.

Of course, Bats never planned to kill Superman either -because Batman,
whenever possible, does not kill.

Having said all that, the fight is brutal and visceral, and something we hadn't seen before, way back in 1986. But, it works, and it works because of the characters' shared history.

In a movie where they meet for the first time, that fight scene just wouldn't work -without some pretty major changes, so much that it would be a different scene altogether.

I think much more appropriate source material for Supes and Bats first meeting would be some of John Byrne's work from around the same time
(the late 80's, Superman reboot).

Okay, maybe some stylistic elements from DKR could work in the BM/SM film, but story-wise.......probably not so much.


(yes, we're all thinking it, Batfleck doesn't look anything like Miller's Batman)

So..... no DKR story elements in BM/SM, maybe some style but no story please.

peace.

TheFlamingCoco 10-03-2013 05:11 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
I find TDKR haterz to be on this kind of plane.

*They don't like the Superman portrayal and his relationship to THIS Batman (understandable)
*They don't like its influence on later comics.
*They don't like the way Batman's portrayed (I like the book, and that's also understandable)
*They don't think it's well written (Okay, that I CAN'T understand)
*They don't like the art style or divergence from usual Batman incarnations (Frank draws in a blocky, but visually striking manner. The fight with the Mutants in the Tank stands out in my mind. As for the "it's different" thing, it was intended to be an Elseworlds.)

Batmannerism 10-03-2013 05:14 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
....and furthermore, DKR is Batman's story ! He owns it, and every panel he appears in. The book is worthy of a film all in its own right that only features a guest appearance by Superman (and like I went crazy on in the last post, is not appropriate for a first meeting film).

However, you might be on to something in terms of the gritty style that Miller used to portray Gotham - that could definitely work.

Miller's Batmobile: Batman needs a tank !

Miller's Batcopter: Batman needs a Russian gunship copter !

Miller's portrayal of Jim Gordon ......probably covered in the Nolanverse TDKR film. Sorry, but after Gary Oldman, there aren't many who could step into Gordon's shoes.

Miller's vision of a Gotham out of control, where crime is rampant.....could work.

Miller's Batman.....not sure if Batfleck could carry off the menace, the obsession, the physicality of the role (certainly not the physique, you'd
need Schwarzenegger for that !)

hey, but great idea for a thread. Peace.

smallville fan 10-03-2013 07:00 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shauner111 (Post 26952715)
Hush is overrated and Long Halloween has been done enough with TDK.

They need to look to the stories that Nolan didn't touch. I don't mind the last part of Returns as long as it's just the Superman stuff, but they really need to move away from the Nolanverse. That's the whole point of rebooting an entire franchise, so you do something drastically different from what came before. Even down to its influences.

Absolutely. Batman has a plethora of stories under his belt that they could use.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie Dean (Post 26952869)
Frank Miller's art is not garbage. It's stylized and you may not like it, but his art is not garbage.

The Dark Knight Strikes Again says Whassup

http://wtfdccomics.wordpress.com/201...strikes-again/

Eddie Dean 10-03-2013 07:04 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Even his art in DKSA is a deliberate stylistic choice, I'll take it any day over the thousands of Jim Lee imitators.

Lencho01 10-03-2013 07:47 PM

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IbAeQ3vqHN.../catwoman4.jpg

TheFlamingCoco 10-03-2013 08:33 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Batmannerism (Post 26954149)
....and furthermore, DKR is Batman's story ! He owns it, and every panel he appears in. The book is worthy of a film all in its own right that only features a guest appearance by Superman (and like I went crazy on in the last post, is not appropriate for a first meeting film).

However, you might be on to something in terms of the gritty style that Miller used to portray Gotham - that could definitely work.

Miller's Batmobile: Batman needs a tank !

Miller's Batcopter: Batman needs a Russian gunship copter !

Miller's portrayal of Jim Gordon ......probably covered in the Nolanverse TDKR film. Sorry, but after Gary Oldman, there aren't many who could step into Gordon's shoes.

Miller's vision of a Gotham out of control, where crime is rampant.....could work.

Miller's Batman.....not sure if Batfleck could carry off the menace, the obsession, the physicality of the role (certainly not the physique, you'd
need Schwarzenegger for that !)

hey, but great idea for a thread. Peace.

Miller's Gordon is next to nothing like Oldman's. This isn't a slight on Miller OR Oldman. Jim is generally depicted as a sympathetic and likeable ally to Batman, and not as much as the hard-boiled cynic from the Miller books.

I think Oldman NAILED the traditional versions of Modern Era Gordon. His version is completely different from Miller's, and I'm more then ok with that.

I think if he has a good voice and a nice costume, he COULD pull of Frank Miller's menace. But Frank's Batman is so scary and borderline psychotic that I think it's not the best route to go. Maybe leaning towards Miller, but not a complete TDKR envisioning, and TDKSA/AllStar should NOT be an influence at all.

Eddie Dean 10-03-2013 08:58 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Oldman in Batman Begins is the Gordon straight out of Year One.

SpideyFan866 10-03-2013 08:59 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shauner111 (Post 26951541)
Superman's not going to be anything like Frank Miller's version. He wont be working with the government like that.

Now I'm not saying he'll be a complete government puppet like he was in that book (MOS proved that; "You're scared of me because you can't control me. You can't and you never will".), but after the events of MOS, and Supes's statement to Swanwick about getting Washington on his side (and the likelihood of public distrust in him after he leveled a city), I think he'll be doing all he can to earn good will.

A better example of how his relationship will be with the government is that in The New Frontier.

He's firmly on their side and helps how he can, but is in no way controlled by them.

TheFlamingCoco 10-03-2013 09:29 PM

Re: What OTHER elements from The Dark Knight Returns could we see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie Dean (Post 26955367)
Oldman in Batman Begins is the Gordon straight out of Year One.

He looks the part. I have both a copy of Begins and Year One at home, and I can tell you, they have different personalities.

BUT, I think Oldman's gonna be really tough to MATCH.


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