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psylockolussus 10-30-2013 11:47 PM

Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Since this is already out in a lot of countries, I don't see an issue with doing this thread right now. Just make sure to use the spoiler tag for the spoilers.

For those who have already seen the film, which film is better, Thor 1 or The Dark World?

jmc 10-31-2013 12:10 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Number 2.

horacethegrey 10-31-2013 01:10 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Hello. I'm a long time lurker here. Haven't posted much, but I just had to join this discussion after watching the film yesterday.

I sill think Thor is a much better film. It has a better story which is emotionally moving in some places, and has just the right amounts of lighthearted moments to balance out the serious ones. And Kenneth Branagh has to be given credit for getting his actors to deliver some great performances. Patrick Doyle's score is also top notch, probably my favorite score in a Marvel Studios film to date.

Not to say the The Dark World is bad, but there are some bits that I dislike. The story was nothing to write home about, and lacked any emotional investment that made the first film so special. They also went a tad bit overboard with the comedy, that it came dangerously close to overshadowing the drama. I also thought Brian Tyler's score was much too loud and bombastic, though I did like it.

Overall, those are my thoughts.

waffles 10-31-2013 02:22 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
The second one , for sure.

You saw so much more of their world and it was great that characters who were semi-overlooked in the first got more screen time in this one. The humour was great, it tugged at the heart strings and the climatic scenes of Thor and Maleketh were so much better than Thor and Loki fighting in the first.

Batmannerism 10-31-2013 02:46 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Yo Thor-fans, I posted the review below, in the review thread.

Personally, I believe that Thor TDW is to Thor, what The Dark Knight
was to Batman Begins. In a word, escalation.

I'm not really a Thor (comics) fan, but I enjoyed Thor (2011) and loved Thor TDW.
My wife's a big Thor fan, and was telling me that TDW was going to be awesome, part way through the film, during the
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
assault on Asgard sequence
she leaned over and said "See, awesome"
and I had to agree.


Here's my review,
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
first up, this is just IMO, I'm an unashamed DC fan (MOS was my #1
film this year) and before this film wasn't the biggest fan of Thor. However, Marvel really kicked it up a notch with this one, a bazillion times better than Amazing Spiderman, and actually at least as good as Avengers, if not slightly better.

The awesome

1) Visuals, very, very, very good. Sometimes CGI worlds are obviously so fantastical that they can't be real ( something I notice about the Hobbit, and I was in that as an extra) but recently films like Oblivion, Man of Steel, and now Thor TDW have made completely fantastical environments
look actually believable.

I still don't like the pipe-organ look of Odin's palace, but the scenery looks great, particularly the palace interiors, where some intense fighting takes place.

This is especially so during the final Thor/Malekith fight, when hopping between realms.

2) Character development: Loki. Wow. Hiddleston hit one out of the park. He was superb as Loki, who's twisted, but has such a sharp wit and charm that he's tremendous fun to watch. We see that even the bitter, jealous Loki has someone he cares for.

Probably the best scenes are the cell scenes and his reaction to Frigga's death. Well written, and superbly acted, the film is almost as much Loki's as it is Thor's.

All in all, Thor and Loki's relationship is significantly developed by this film, Hemsworth does some solid work, but the stand-out performer is Hiddleston.

The very final scene of the movie leaves us with a host of questions, and questions we want answered. Ending with that image of a smirking Loki
on the throne, very well played indeed.



3) Frigga: appears in very little of the movie, pretty much to advance the plot, but Rene Russo does a great job with almost nothing.

Her Viking funeral scene was also well done.

4) Odin: The thing about truly great actors is that you forget they are who they are, and just think of them in the role. Hopkins is a short, plain -looking, dumpy man, yet fills the role of All-father brilliantly. IN this film he's very kingly, tough, uncompromising. You believe he's a king amongst the God-like Asgardians. Hemsworth is noticeably awed in his presence.


5) Pacing and Tone: Nice, very nice. The light moments and dark moments are set apart perfectly, so that neither seems out of place.

The only time the pace drags is after the prologue, up to where Jane
finds the Aether.


The good

1) Character development Thor: pretty good, we see a more serious side of Thor. He's continued along the humility path he started down in Thor (first movie). Hemsworth looks the part and while occasionally clunky, his Thor is generally likeable.

2) Character development Selvig, gets some great comic scenes. Skaarsgard does a great job with the material he's given.

3) Character development The warriors three, (Fandrall, Hogun, Volstaag)
Again, they don't get much to work with, but the bits they're in, they're a lot more interesting (not just comic relief, like the first film). Zachary Levi
was good as Fandrall (filling in for the forgettable other guy), and Ray Stevenson is always a laugh.

I'd add Sif, but she's woefully underused.

4) The Action: The fight scenes are pretty good, not as stylized or frantic as Avengers, but still enjoyable. The film has a very high body count (not as high as MOS, but a lot of Asgardians don't make it) as such
you feel there's a real threat.

Also, the assault on Asgard has a somewhat "Star Wars" feel to it, which ordinarily would seem weird in a Thor movie, but works in this one.
A really brilliant action scene is a mixture of audacity, skilfulness and pacing, this film has some good fights, but none that made my jaw drop.
(by contrast, the Hong Kong Kaiju battle-scene in Pacific Rim, made me cheer).

I did like the way that Asgardian "magic" had a more technological feel to it, as I said, sort of a Star Wars feel - but original Star Wars (so very cool ).


5) The other Villains: Christopher Eccleston is predictably menacing as Malekith, but isn't given enough to work with, as probably 2/3 of his lines are in Elvish. He certainly looks scary and radiates evil, and I suppose he has to be a contrast to the joyful nastiness of Loki, but I think he could have had more dialogue to establish his motivations - he's just relentlessly
evil, and that's about it. A good performance but not a lot to work with.
Probably his only really engaging interaction with the other actors was the scene in which he and Kurse confront Frigga.

On that note, Kurse is pretty nasty, but after his transformation doesn't really do much acting, just growling really.


6) Music: hits a high point at Frigga's funeral, and otherwise frames the
story nicely. Possibly could emphasize the main character's motif a bit more, and have stronger overall motifs for the Dark Elves, and certainly
Odin and Loki deserve their own. But, overall, nicely done.



The reasonable

Natalie Portman. She's one of the greatest American Actresses of her generation. In this role, she's just really damsel in distress and doesn't do much with it. Less boring than Padme (from those dreadful Star Wars Prequels), but not a heroine that we really feel much for.

Yes, it's my bias, but she has none of the pluck, or smarts of Amy Adams' Lois lane. Portman does well with what she's given, I suspect its more of a writing issue, but all in all, not her best work.


The romance: a little unengaging, if there was a word for it. Not exactly forced, but it ain't Princess Leia/Han Solo or even Tobey Maguire/Kirsten Dunst (or even the tension of Famke Janssen and Hugh Jackman) if we're going to look at super-hero/fantasy genre romance.

Admittedly, the very end post credits scene where Thor does come back to Jane is a good moment, but all in all they're not going to be one of the
great on-screen couples. Having said all that, it works within the context of the film, you believe these people could love each other, but you aren't dying to see how/if things work out for them.




The unsatisfactory.

Kat Dennings, only because she's exactly the same in everything she does. Sarcastic, midly annoying and relentlessly playing the cute card.
She has the acting range of a cereal box - I suppose she does what she needs to do in this film, but the plot would have sailed along without her.


The post credits scene with the Collector. WTF ? I know that Marvel
has to set up other films, but Del Toro was simply awful - the Collector
in the comics, is an elder of the universe, a being of great and mysterious power. Del Toro's character was more like a hairstylist who runs a pawn-shop part time. It was utter crap.




IN CONCLUSION: For some comparison, I gave MOS a 9/10 but again
I'm an unashamed Superman fan. Pacific Rim gets an 8.5/10, as an
incredibly satisfying robot smashfest (not going to win any best actor
Oscars, but who cares ?) . For more comparisons, The first Matrix movie 9/10, The Dark Knight 9/10, Inception 9/10, the Avengers 8/10, X-Men first class 7.5/10, Lord of the Rings: return of the King 9/10.

basically, a 8/10 for me is a movie you walk out of feeling that you got
every cent of your money's worth, truly satisfying. a 9/10 is a movie that you don't want to end, and has moments you want to jump to your feet and yell "**** YEAH !" (haven't seen a 10/10 yet)


Okay, so on to Thor, 8/10. A very solid and enjoyable movie
That's saying a lot, as I'm not a Thor fan.
Before this film I didn't really care that much about Thor, and back in the 80's I actually read the old Walt Simonson stories that were the basis of this film. Those were pretty engaging (and visually mesmerising, because of Simonson's art), but otherwise I've always found Thor a bit boring....until now. I'm not quite a Thor-fan yet, but if the next Thor
film is as good as this one, then I might be.

I really enjoyed TDW. If you're a Thor fan, you'll simply love it, if you
liked Avengers or Marvel in general you're going to get your money's worth. A much greater scale than the first Thor, and much more enjoyable.


Trust me Marvel-maniacs, if you liked Thor (2011) and the Avengers,
you're going to love this movie. Like I said I'm not really a fan, and I thought it was Marvel's best outing in a long time (I enjoyed it more than
Avengers).

In TDW the stakes are higher, the visuals are stunning, the scheme is grander and best of all LOKI......Loki makes the film, stealing every scene he's in. Hiddleston was born to play the role, he's so much fun to watch.
If you liked Loki in the previous films, you're going to love what he gets up to in TDW, we see a much more complete character, rather than just the
jealous brother - Cain to Thor's Abel.

Okay, enough. So Thor (2011) was fun, (loved the Destroyer, and ****, they needed him in this movie !), but this one is a big step up.

Hope you all enjoy it as much as I did.

kaijukurt 10-31-2013 06:48 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
The second one for me. It operates on a much grander scale with even better action. Plus, love the sci fi/fantasy storytelling.

Oscorp 10-31-2013 07:20 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by horacethegrey (Post 27119153)
Hello. I'm a long time lurker here. Haven't posted much, but I just had to join this discussion after watching the film yesterday.

I sill think Thor is a much better film. It has a better story which is emotionally moving in some places, and has just the right amounts of lighthearted moments to balance out the serious ones. And Kenneth Branagh has to be given credit for getting his actors to deliver some great performances. Patrick Doyle's score is also top notch, probably my favorite score in a Marvel Studios film to date.

Not to say the The Dark World is bad, but there are some bits that I dislike. The story was nothing to write home about, and lacked any emotional investment that made the first film so special. They also went a tad bit overboard with the comedy, that it came dangerously close to overshadowing the drama. I also thought Brian Tyler's score was much too loud and bombastic, though I did like it.

Overall, those are my thoughts.

This!

antonydelfini 10-31-2013 07:44 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
The Dark World. But if Thor 1 had better, longer and bigger action scenes, it would have been the winner in my book.

AVENGERS 9/10
IRON MAN 3 8.5/10
IRON MAN 8.5/10
THOR THE DARK WORLD 7.5/10
CAPTAIN AMERICA TFA 7.5/10
THOR 7/10
INCREDIBLE HULK 6.5/10
IRON MAN 2 6/10

ddddeeee 10-31-2013 09:18 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
About as good as each other but for different reasons. Thor has more heart, a much stronger arc for Thor and the relatively intimate scope of it works for that story. TDW has crazy visuals and set-pieces and Hiddleston's best performance as Loki.

FeedOnATreeFrog 10-31-2013 12:03 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Thor has more heart (and a better score)

TDW lets us see more of Asgard and has great story-potential and a brief period of tension while Loki and Thor were together.

Each squanders a lot of potential. I'm probably more enamoured with the second though, as the visual details are really interesting and deserve a second watch.

CyclopsWasRight 10-31-2013 12:48 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Thor. it had more heart and drama and better 'less is more' comedy

CosmicPinchy 10-31-2013 01:01 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
The one scene I loved the most in Thor was the deleted scene with Thor and Loki before Thor's coronation. They make fun of each other's helmets and it's really one of the most heart-warming and hilarious scenes. They're brothers and we totally get it from that scene.

As long as TDW has the same sort of thing (I keep reading about this spaceship scene), I'll be happy.

ddddeeee 10-31-2013 01:03 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
As someone who saw a midnight double bill of Thor and Thor: The Dark World, the two movies compliment each other very well. Visuals manage to be consistent but different. And the cast are very comfortable in their roles.

I love this franchise. :)

Mjölnir 10-31-2013 01:17 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ddddeeee (Post 27121601)
As someone who saw a midnight double bill of Thor and Thor: The Dark World, the two movies compliment each other very well. Visuals manage to be consistent but different. And the cast are very comfortable in their roles.

I love this franchise. :)

I'm looking forward to being able to do that, but it won't happen until I can watch TDW at home. :)

GriffinSTatum 10-31-2013 04:36 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ddddeeee (Post 27121601)
As someone who saw a midnight double bill of Thor and Thor: The Dark World, the two movies compliment each other very well. Visuals manage to be consistent but different. And the cast are very comfortable in their roles.

I love this franchise. :)

I am going to a showing of Thor, Avengers, and The Dark World! Although I won't be able to see it until the 7th. :( Then I will be able to judge which one I prefer.

psylockolussus 10-31-2013 07:26 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Thor, better story and there's emotion in that movie that TDW was lacking of.

Better villain too. I hope voters aren't voting for TDW simply because its new and they just saw it in theater.

BigThor 10-31-2013 08:41 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 27123473)
Thor, better story and there's emotion in that movie that TDW was lacking of.

Better villain too. I hope voters aren't voting for TDW simply because its new and they just saw it in theater.

Some people actually think it's better, most do actually even critics.

Vartha 10-31-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Forgot avengers there Psy lol

CyclopsWasRight 10-31-2013 09:06 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
^ Of course, nothing wrong with that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 27123473)
I hope voters aren't voting for TDW simply because its new and they just saw it in theater.

That tends to happen for some whenever a new movie comes out. It is immideatley better than past movies because it's new.

I don't agree with it but it happens often, i've seen people rank ASM the best Spidey and MOS the best Superman. I'm not saying they aren't but they ranked higher in many cases because they're new and hyping.

I usually don't like to rank movies among others until after 6 months or so and the 'hype' has worn off

psylockolussus 10-31-2013 09:07 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vartha (Post 27124039)
Forgot avengers there Psy lol

Its just #2 for me. What I liked about Thor is Loki had depth in the movie but in the Avengers, not so much. And for me Thor 1 is the #1 MCU film that I really enjoyed watching in theater.

Mjölnir 10-31-2013 09:20 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyclopsWasRight (Post 27124071)
That tends to happen for some whenever a new movie comes out. It is immideatley better than past movies because it's new.

I don't agree with it but it happens often, i've seen people rank ASM the best Spidey and MOS the best Superman. I'm not saying they aren't but they ranked higher in many cases because they're new and hyping.

I usually don't like to rank movies among others until after 6 months or so and the 'hype' has worn off

As I said yesterday I'm doing the same when it comes to ranking, even though I don't really have a set time. For me it's mostly about getting some repeat viewings in if I'm to rank it against movies I've seen more than once.

Personally repeat viewings is a reason why I probably prefer the MCU most of the superhero movies. Those have held up the best and some have even gotten better. It's a bit surprising that all of them have that record for me as they are quite numerous now.

CyclopsWasRight 10-31-2013 09:23 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Yeah i loved Loki in Thor. He was really layered in that movie.

Vartha 10-31-2013 09:27 PM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 27124085)
Its just #2 for me. What I liked about Thor is Loki had depth in the movie but in the Avengers, not so much. And for me Thor 1 is the #1 MCU film that I really enjoyed watching in theater.

I understand, I was just saying we've had Thor 3 years straight pretty much lol

I've been so busy this summer I missed out on Wolverine and these days I'm barely making 36 hours a week, like 20 hours less than what I was doing, but NOW I'm guarding a theater so hopefully one weekend I can get to see Thor 2 and Xmen

ETGuy 11-01-2013 06:25 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Thor.

TDW's story was poor.

AVEITWITHJAMON 11-01-2013 09:42 AM

Re: Which film is better? Thor or Thor: the Dark World?
 
Thor 2 was pretty good, but Thor 1 wins this for me, the sequel just lacked a lot of the heart and emotion the 1st movie, while not really improving on the 1st in enough areas either.


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