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Dasher10 11-01-2013 06:46 AM

A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
Let's put it this way, Punisher is Marvel's riskiest property. Daredevil should be put out there to test how audiences react to a darker property while still keeping things PG-13. Luke Cage would be rated R for language while still remaining light-hearted and comedic like most MCU films.

Only if both of those are hits should we see a Punisher film since a hard R impossibly bleak movie would be hard to sell to audiences.

Red Mask 11-01-2013 04:01 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
I still dream of a Punisher vs. Daredevil film.

Recently I purchased the PC edition of Dishonored. Hopefully that will be what I imagined how a video game version of Punisher vs. Daredevil story could be played.

Mr. Dent 11-01-2013 05:35 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
Or just make a TV show out of all of them.

ThePowerCosmic 11-01-2013 05:48 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
I want a Captain America vs. Punisher movie, featuring Daredevil. Maybe Cap is framed for a slaughter that the Punisher actually committed, and has to clear his name after being put on trial. Matt Murdock can be his lawyer, while doubling as Daredevil.

Hawkingbird 11-02-2013 08:36 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by Mr. Dent (Post 27128339)
Or just make a TV show out of all of them.

They're all too big to make into a TV show. Plus,they would widen the black representation in the MCU with Luke Cage.

SuperFerret 11-02-2013 08:44 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
TV shows are bigger than movies, especially when it comes to lower budget properties.

Also, nevermind that they shouldn't make any more Punisher movies again ever, it's probably Marvel's least risky property because it's pretty much any Hollywood revenge-driven shoot-em-up action movie.

metaphysician 11-02-2013 10:58 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Mask (Post 27127883)
I still dream of a Punisher vs. Daredevil film.

Recently I purchased the PC edition of Dishonored. Hopefully that will be what I imagined how a video game version of Punisher vs. Daredevil story could be played.

Um, what? You need to elaborate, because I can't even begin to figure out what connection you are seeing.

Mr. Dent 11-02-2013 11:08 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by Hawkingbird (Post 27131637)
They're all too big to make into a TV show. Plus,they would widen the black representation in the MCU with Luke Cage.

This doesn't make sense to me. They're no bigger than Green Arrow and he has a very good TV show. Daredevil is perfect for TV. Punisher would work better on TV since they probably don't want to do R-Rated stuff for their movies.

Red Mask 11-03-2013 02:26 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by metaphysician (Post 27132309)
Um, what? You need to elaborate, because I can't even begin to figure out what connection you are seeing.

As a possible video game, Dishonored is how they can have two characters in the same setting but interact in the world differently. While Daredevil can swing from building to building, the Punisher travels differently, but to the same places. It's an excellent approach to how the two superheroes can be in the same story without behaving the same.

Saitou Hajime 11-03-2013 04:13 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
IMO Punisher works best as the anti-heroic foil to some other lead superhero, the Vegeta to someone's Goku. Or if you're going to make him the lead, you got to have an effective hero antagonist as his foil, like Chuck Dixon said he should've done it back in the 90s.

Hordakfan 11-05-2013 10:24 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
I say have Touchstone Pictures do the Marvel Knights movies since they do harder and darker edged movies for Disney while Walt Disney Pictures does the more family friendly stuff like Avengers, Thor, Iron Man etc.

And at the end of the Daredevil reboot, have Punisher appear at the end and make it similar to the Avenger universe movie endings as he would be like the Nick Fury of the Marvel Knights as he would talk with Matt Murdok and knows his identity plus says "I want you to join a team" then Matt says "Avengers?" then Frank says "No! not the Avengers, something more meatier. It's called the Knights".

3dman27 11-06-2013 03:23 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
iron fist should precede them both

S. Grundy 11-08-2013 04:13 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by Hordakfan (Post 27156445)
I say have Touchstone Pictures do the Marvel Knights movies since they do harder and darker edged movies for Disney while Walt Disney Pictures does the more family friendly stuff like Avengers, Thor, Iron Man etc.

And at the end of the Daredevil reboot, have Punisher appear at the end and make it similar to the Avenger universe movie endings as he would be like the Nick Fury of the Marvel Knights as he would talk with Matt Murdok and knows his identity plus says "I want you to join a team" then Matt says "Avengers?" then Frank says "No! not the Avengers, something more meatier. It's called the Knights".

That is a terrible idea, why would the Punisher be forming a team?

whitemotel 11-08-2013 04:45 AM

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hi guys...

i couldnt post a new thread because my account is new..felt this is appropriate for this thread....

"Netflix and Marvel recently unveiled their plans to create a number of 13-episode series’ featuring Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, culminating in The Defenders. The question now is which actors will be chosen to portray these iconic characters; will they go for young unknowns – similar to Stephen Amell in Arrow – or will Nexflix bring big names to these as they’ve done with shows like House of Cards and Orange is the New Black? We don’t know at this point, but here are five casting suggestions featuring actors you will without a doubt recognise, for Daredevil! Stay tuned as we’ll be bringing you similar lists for the other heroes listed above in the coming days too."

link here: http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/5-actors-p...zergnet_107616

ThePowerCosmic 11-08-2013 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkingbird (Post 27131637)
They're all too big to make into a TV show.

Is that so? Tell me more about that.

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Mr. Dent 11-08-2013 11:39 AM

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:funny:

Loki882 11-08-2013 12:23 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
I could see Punisher appearing in the various shows (DD, Luke Cage, etc) as an opposing force that they have to encounter at some point. Then, if these shows are successful, maybe they'll do more Netflix ones and Punisher can get his own series. They should definitely give Thomas Jane a call, I think that he might be interested.

Dasher10 11-08-2013 04:21 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by Loki882 (Post 27174405)
I could see Punisher appearing in the various shows (DD, Luke Cage, etc) as an opposing force that they have to encounter at some point. Then, if these shows are successful, maybe they'll do more Netflix ones and Punisher can get his own series. They should definitely give Thomas Jane a call, I think that he might be interested.


I agree. I mean, Jane HAS said that he wants to reprise the role and having him run into somebody like Luke Cage or Daredevil who may be disgusted with his methods would make for some good viewing. Punisher definitely needs to appear in these series since this is a perfect opportunity to add him to the MCU.

cherokeesam 11-08-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dasher10 (Post 27176059)
I agree. I mean, Jane HAS said that he wants to reprise the role and having him run into somebody like Luke Cage or Daredevil who may be disgusted with his methods would make for some good viewing. Punisher definitely needs to appear in these series since this is a perfect opportunity to add him to the MCU.

Agreed. What better place to put Punisher than a Marvel Knights showcase? I wouldn't at all be surprised to see at least cameos by characters like Punisher, Moon Knight, Blade, Shang-Chi, Misty Knight, and Ghost Rider in at least one or two of them, but god knows Frank deserves a Netflix series of his own as well. Jane's self-made fan-movie one-shot a few years ago is proof of that.

ThePowerCosmic 11-08-2013 04:51 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by Dasher10 (Post 27176059)
I agree. I mean, Jane HAS said that he wants to reprise the role and having him run into somebody like Luke Cage or Daredevil who may be disgusted with his methods would make for some good viewing. Punisher definitely needs to appear in these series since this is a perfect opportunity to add him to the MCU.

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Originally Posted by cherokeesam (Post 27176113)
Agreed. What better place to put Punisher than a Marvel Knights showcase? I wouldn't at all be surprised to see at least cameos by characters like Punisher, Moon Knight, Blade, Shang-Chi, Misty Knight, and Ghost Rider in at least one or two of them, but god knows Frank deserves a Netflix series of his own as well. Jane's self-made fan-movie one-shot a few years ago is proof of that.

You guys need to let go of Jane returning to the role. That's like Snipes returning as Blade. Ain't gonna happen in this new universe.

Whiskey Tango 11-08-2013 04:59 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by ThePowerCosmic (Post 27176197)
You guys need to let go of Jane returning to the role.

As soon as I get official confirmation they've cast someone else.

DrCosmic 11-08-2013 10:34 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by Saitou Hajime (Post 27137041)
IMO Punisher works best as the anti-heroic foil to some other lead superhero, the Vegeta to someone's Goku. Or if you're going to make him the lead, you got to have an effective hero antagonist as his foil, like Chuck Dixon said he should've done it back in the 90s.

This is what I'm thinking. I'm not a big Punisher fan, but I keep trying to figure out: what would make a new Punisher film/series better than all the other Punisher adaptations.

And people keep saying: "Well he's unique because he's that typical gritty anti-hero in a superhero world." Okay, cool... how do you *do* that? Do you have Evans, Hemsworth, RDJ and Ruffalo cameo in each episode as guest stars? Do you have people crack Iron Man jokes while he's mowing down mobsters... like... I don't get it. It's not like the MCU has dozens of superheroes and you can just throw one at them. It's got, like 12 guys with codenames, and half of them have zero chance of cameoing anywhere at all.

This is why I think Punisher works better as a guest star. As a solo hero gunning down mobsters with some superheroes you never see, he's typical and derivative. But when Daredevil or Iron Fist is on the case trying to question someone and you have Punisher roll up in the van like 'No, they die tonight." you've got a really cool anti-hero.

So, this suggestion makes a lot of sense. You give him one hero, like Daredevil, and let him play off that guy. If you do a Punisher series, you make sure you have a real bona-fide hero, like a Captain America, or a Spider-Man, coming after him. Obviously not those two, but someone on that level.

ThePowerCosmic 11-09-2013 07:42 AM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by DrCosmic (Post 27178227)
This is what I'm thinking. I'm not a big Punisher fan, but I keep trying to figure out: what would make a new Punisher film/series better than all the other Punisher adaptations.

And people keep saying: "Well he's unique because he's that typical gritty anti-hero in a superhero world." Okay, cool... how do you *do* that? Do you have Evans, Hemsworth, RDJ and Ruffalo cameo in each episode as guest stars? Do you have people crack Iron Man jokes while he's mowing down mobsters... like... I don't get it. It's not like the MCU has dozens of superheroes and you can just throw one at them. It's got, like 12 guys with codenames, and half of them have zero chance of cameoing anywhere at all.

This is why I think Punisher works better as a guest star. As a solo hero gunning down mobsters with some superheroes you never see, he's typical and derivative. But when Daredevil or Iron Fist is on the case trying to question someone and you have Punisher roll up in the van like 'No, they die tonight." you've got a really cool anti-hero.

So, this suggestion makes a lot of sense. You give him one hero, like Daredevil, and let him play off that guy. If you do a Punisher series, you make sure you have a real bona-fide hero, like a Captain America, or a Spider-Man, coming after him. Obviously not those two, but someone on that level.


Great post...ya'll, the doctor is in. :word:

Hordakfan 11-09-2013 01:38 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
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Originally Posted by S. Grundy (Post 27172389)
That is a terrible idea, why would the Punisher be forming a team?

It's just that i want a set up for a Marvel Knights movie

Loki882 11-09-2013 09:30 PM

Re: A Punisher film should come after Daredevil and Luke Cage
 
Yes, because violent anti-heroes mowing down criminals NEVER works onscreen. Well except for Death Wish, Taken, Dirty Harry, Man on Fire, that Jodie Foster revenge movie, etc.


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