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Dr. Remy Lebeau 11-24-2013 07:21 PM

Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
Given that Jennifer Lawrence has proven herself to be good enough to win a best actress Oscar, as well as being able to carry a blockbuster franchise (Hunger Games anyone?), doesn't it make sense to give her her own film focusing on Mystique?

I think so. I think a film chronicling some of her story would work and could be a hit. Maybe her relationship with Azazel and her pregnancy with Nightcrawler could be covered in this film.

It might also be the perfect opportunity to introduce Apocalypse via some sort of storyline similar to the X-men: Evolution story arc making the quest to revive a long dormant immortal mutant the underlying backbone holding the film together.

What do ya think?

def28 11-24-2013 07:24 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
Shes fine as an ensemble. They need new characters to be developed.

psylockolussus 11-24-2013 07:45 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
I'm not up for this idea. Could be interesting though if it happens.

smallville fan 11-24-2013 07:55 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
no thank you

marvelrobbins 11-25-2013 12:06 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
No.

Dr. Remy Lebeau 11-25-2013 05:56 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
So do you all think that the Mystique/Azazel?Nightcrawler connection will be touched upon in DOFP then? It seems to me that introducing Azazel in FC, and having both he and Mystique go with Magneto at the end implies that the connection would be explored.

I'm a cheerleader for a standalone film regardless. I think it could be really good. In fact, I think it would be better than a Deadpool movie.

def28 11-25-2013 06:24 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Reme Lebeau (Post 27281143)
So do you all think that the Mystique/Azazel?Nightcrawler connection will be touched upon in DOFP then? It seems to me that introducing Azazel in FC, and having both he and Mystique go with Magneto at the end implies that the connection would be explored.

Azazel was in FC so they could have a cool teleporter, Thats about it. And now he's confirmed dead in the DOFP viral. So that's that.

If she shows up again it should be with that cast and not a solo imo. They can continue to develop her there. New and existing characters who have not had the developed time she has had need to be given due....Cyclops, Storm, Deapdool, Gambit etc

TheJediBrah 11-25-2013 07:35 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Reme Lebeau (Post 27281143)
So do you all think that the Mystique/Azazel?Nightcrawler connection will be touched upon in DOFP then? It seems to me that introducing Azazel in FC, and having both he and Mystique go with Magneto at the end implies that the connection would be explored.

I'm a cheerleader for a standalone film regardless. I think it could be really good. In fact, I think it would be better than a Deadpool movie.

No, it doesn't. At best it was an easter egg for hardcore fans. It will not be explored.

And a mystique stand-alone film will never happen. Terrible idea.

Dr. Remy Lebeau 11-25-2013 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJediBrah (Post 27281719)
No, it doesn't. At best it was an easter egg for hardcore fans. It will not be explored.

And a mystique stand-alone film will never happen. Terrible idea.

Okay. It sounds like you got all of Fox's plans revealed to you before the rest of the world did. Congrats, inside man!

Dr. Remy Lebeau 11-25-2013 11:39 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by def28 (Post 27281315)
Azazel was in FC so they could have a cool teleporter, Thats about it. And now he's confirmed dead in the DOFP viral. So that's that.

If she shows up again it should be with that cast and not a solo imo. They can continue to develop her there. New and existing characters who have not had the developed time she has had need to be given due....Cyclops, Storm, Deapdool, Gambit etc

If you truly believe that the writers are really so two dimensional in their writing then more power to you. Given that Mystique and Azazel are Nightcrawler's parents and Nightcrawler has proven to be a popular character, I don't see why the creators would completely ignore the connection in subsequent films, given that they introduced Azazel (a relatively obscure X-character).

Also, if Azazel is dead in DOFP, and given that we're seeing the FC characters roughly 10 years after the events of the last film, there's no reason why Mystique and him wouldn't have hooked up at least once during that time.

I do agree that more important characters need more attention, but if Fox is looking to expand the X-men cinematic universe in the same way as Marvel is doing with the Avengers, then I don't see why there couldn't be films about all these characters.

def28 11-26-2013 01:21 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Reme Lebeau (Post 27283905)
If you truly believe that the writers are really so two dimensional in their writing then more power to you. Given that Mystique and Azazel are Nightcrawler's parents and Nightcrawler has proven to be a popular character, I don't see why the creators would completely ignore the connection in subsequent films, given that they introduced Azazel (a relatively obscure X-character).

They already pretty much did, cause now the character died off screen in a viral add the GA will probably never read with the character only having said about 5 lines. It wasn't part of the story they wanted to tell. These films aren't lik the comics. He was chosen for his powers and cool action. This is nothing new in the X-Men film franchise. They picked more then a few characters based on set pieces. Banshee for example is in the film because they needed someone with the power to read sonar. There are interviews with the writers explaining how they chose a few characters and it becomes obvious that this also had to be the case for mute to barely speaking characters like Riptide/Azazel.

If they want that Mystique/Azazel connection it will have to be wrapped and done in DOFP. Not a solo. Cause he's gone.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Reme Lebeau (Post 27283905)
I do agree that more important characters need more attention, but if Fox is looking to expand the X-men cinematic universe in the same way as Marvel is doing with the Avengers, then I don't see why there couldn't be films about all these characters.

Because X-men has too many. They could develop many films. Im not saying it would be bad. Just that we dont need it. You have to choose them carefully. Mystique has her place within First Class and been in 5 films. Develop within those relationships not outside of them in a solo. I dont think there is a strong enough demand to warrant her a solo outside of the fact shes played by a popular actress. Id rather see her on screen interacting with her co stars in DOFP and FC.

psylockolussus 11-26-2013 02:03 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Reme Lebeau (Post 27281143)
So do you all think that the Mystique/Azazel?Nightcrawler connection will be touched upon in DOFP then?

I don't know why people like to believe that these three are related? Okay they are in the comics, but to force it in the movies? just no.

henzINNIT 11-26-2013 09:33 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
Lawrence could certainly carry it, and it would be fantastic to craft a story that incorporates Rebecca's time with the character as well. I'm not sure how likely it would be but I could get behind it, especially as she's becoming played out as an X-Men villain.

GuestStar2004 11-26-2013 09:55 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 27284473)
I don't know why people like to believe that these three are related? Okay they are in the comics, but to force it in the movies? just no.

when you have azazel pretty much be a red nightcrawler with the exact same powers you kinda have to question if there is a relation, and of course the look of night crawler being blue like mystique with the comic book lore backing it up will add to it

it would be odd to skip over it without at least 1 mention of it

kasjan 11-26-2013 10:47 AM

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NO, enough of Mystique, another villains please.

Angamb 11-26-2013 12:08 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
this should have been a poll

would have been interesting to see the votes :(

jonathancrane 11-26-2013 12:16 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
Nvm.

SuperT 11-26-2013 12:23 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
A movie based on her work with the government or Get Mystique would be awesome.

Dasher10 11-26-2013 03:21 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
No thank you. Wolverine and Deadpool solo films are enough. I'd much rather see ensembles like X-Factor and X-Force along with an Uncanny relaunch after DOFP. I mean if more solo films are a possibility, I have a feeling that Captain Britain, Gambit and Storm are all higher priorities.

def28 11-29-2013 03:58 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
I just think that FC and DOFP will be enough for the character. I expect her to have plenty of focus/development by DOFP's end.

chamber-music 11-29-2013 04:27 AM

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nope

Dr. Remy Lebeau 12-05-2013 01:25 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
I can't believe how many Mystique haters there are. Maybe should could at the very least show up in the next Wolverine film

Dasher10 12-05-2013 03:00 AM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Reme Lebeau (Post 27349859)
I can't believe how many Mystique haters there are. Maybe should could at the very least show up in the next Wolverine film


I'm not a hater. She's had plenty of screen time. I just want to see other villains get the spotlight for once. I mean we still have yet to see Daken, Omega Red, Sinister, Cameron Hodge, Apocalypse, Donald Pierce, Selene, Emplate, Stryfe and Shadow King. Those are a LOT of bad guys.

Super Jim 12-05-2013 05:05 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
Mytique is a really great character, but there are only a small handful of backstories that would make her anything close to a solo movie star.

- The fact that she and Voctor Creed had a son, who turned out not to have powers, and who then hated mutants and became the leader of the Friends of Humanity. Too bad this type of group has been used too much in the X-films...

- The fact that she had another son with Azazel, whom she abandoned and who became Nightcrawler. But Nightcrawler has already been featured, as has Azazel. Could this be used in a flick? Sure, but it's not enough to make her worthy of a solo...

- The fact that she was the adopted mother of Rogue, and raised her with the plan of using her, and coerced her into fighting Miss Marvel and stealing her powers, which made Rogue a kick butt character with pycho issues that only Xavier could help with. Too bad Rogue has already been introduced and not used in this way, and that Miss Marvel would not be a usuable character.

- And lastly that she formed and led the third incarnation of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. This group was actually pretty cool, with Destiny, Avalanche, Blob and Pyro. Well Blob was a complete failure in Origins (it actually saddens me to think how bad he was - though the whole "Bub" - "Blob" thing was creative). Could Mystique be used in this way? Sure, but we've already had a Brotherhood as the villains, so it would be a bit been there, done that, and actually the only main story where this Brotherhood was important is DOFP! Maybe instead of using "the Brotherhood" they could go with "Freedom Force", but it's really the same thing.

So, giving Mystique her own movie? Can't see it. Where's the story? You have a little bit of an origin of her meeting Destiny, being lovers with Sabertooth and Azazel and giving birth to Grayden and Kurt, but where do you go from there?

Could she be used as a support character? Of course. She could even be in X-Factor. Could she be a leader of the villainous group? Of course. But a solo movie?...

Nope, not likely!

Dr. Remy Lebeau 12-05-2013 05:38 PM

Re: Should there be a stand alone Mystique film?
 
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Originally Posted by Dasher10 (Post 27350301)
I'm not a hater. She's had plenty of screen time. I just want to see other villains get the spotlight for once. I mean we still have yet to see Daken, Omega Red, Sinister, Cameron Hodge, Apocalypse, Donald Pierce, Selene, Emplate, Stryfe and Shadow King. Those are a LOT of bad guys.

Point taken. But if Marvel can make Gaurdians of the Galaxy, Fox can make a Mystique film, and also introduce all these other villains in a variety of X-related films. But if there is a trade-off to be had, then I agree, let's at the very least have some Sinister in the cinema for once and for all!!

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Originally Posted by Super Jim (Post 27357283)
Mytique is a really great character, but there are only a small handful of backstories that would make her anything close to a solo movie star.

- The fact that she and Voctor Creed had a son, who turned out not to have powers, and who then hated mutants and became the leader of the Friends of Humanity. Too bad this type of group has been used too much in the X-films...

- The fact that she had another son with Azazel, whom she abandoned and who became Nightcrawler. But Nightcrawler has already been featured, as has Azazel. Could this be used in a flick? Sure, but it's not enough to make her worthy of a solo...

- The fact that she was the adopted mother of Rogue, and raised her with the plan of using her, and coerced her into fighting Miss Marvel and stealing her powers, which made Rogue a kick butt character with pycho issues that only Xavier could help with. Too bad Rogue has already been introduced and not used in this way, and that Miss Marvel would not be a usuable character.

- And lastly that she formed and led the third incarnation of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. This group was actually pretty cool, with Destiny, Avalanche, Blob and Pyro. Well Blob was a complete failure in Origins (it actually saddens me to think how bad he was - though the whole "Bub" - "Blob" thing was creative). Could Mystique be used in this way? Sure, but we've already had a Brotherhood as the villains, so it would be a bit been there, done that, and actually the only main story where this Brotherhood was important is DOFP! Maybe instead of using "the Brotherhood" they could go with "Freedom Force", but it's really the same thing.

So, giving Mystique her own movie? Can't see it. Where's the story? You have a little bit of an origin of her meeting Destiny, being lovers with Sabertooth and Azazel and giving birth to Grayden and Kurt, but where do you go from there?

Could she be used as a support character? Of course. She could even be in X-Factor. Could she be a leader of the villainous group? Of course. But a solo movie?...

Nope, not likely!

I think most of what you mentioned could be weaved into a great film. It would simply take the right screenwriter. I bet Mathew Vaughn could pull it off.


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