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KangConquers 12-12-2013 01:21 PM

The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
What is it? Personally I don't think this has to be an Avengers slayer, but the combination of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman not out-grossing the highest grossing Batman, beloved trilogy closer or not, would seem like a disappointment.

JKKS085 12-12-2013 01:49 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Anything under a billion worldwide would rightfully be a huge disappointment.
I also think that it should outgross The Dark Knight Rises and ultimately the movie is so obviously designed to compete with The Avengers that it won't be considered a success unless it comes really close to its numbers. Wich would be 1,5 B WW.

charl_huntress 12-12-2013 02:04 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
I would not be so bold as to say it's going to make a billion dollars. That...seems way too cocky.

Fallen Angel 12-12-2013 02:11 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by charl_huntress (Post 27416473)
I would not be so bold as to say it's going to make a billion dollars. That...seems way too cocky.

EVERYONE will want to see Superman and Batman on the screen for the first time. This is making a billion$.

LEVITIKUZ 12-12-2013 02:17 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Enough that could pay back the US debt.

DChero 12-12-2013 04:07 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
I think the bar is $1 billion. I expect it to do as much as MoS strictly on curiosity. The rest would be based on how good the marketing is.

Tempest 12-12-2013 04:25 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Based on the way studios try to outdo each other and open films the same day or week as other films, I'm going to say that between 800 and 899 million is the goal they should be shooting for. I might change my mind once I see the trailer, and go higher.

The GA might be more forgiving than comic book fans, but if too many comic books whine about how much the film deviates from their own personal taste, I can promise you that the bad word of mouth will tank the film.

So really, a lot of the success of the film relies on word of mouth. If people would cease with their whining about every single teeny detail that they don't care for, it would probably push the film over a billion.

DA_Champion 12-12-2013 04:31 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
I think it needs to:

1) Outgross Man of Steel, even after the inflation correction;
2) Be in the top 5 highest grossing movies of the year;

Tony Stark 12-12-2013 04:32 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
This film is so hard to read. Is this a MoS sequel? Is this a Dark Knight sequel? Is this an original film?

I think you have to use MoS as the bar of success, so I chose 700-800M as the success line. It's really hard to read other than that. WB has not done a good job selling this and the whole thing seems forced. Affleck's biggest B.O. films were over 10 years ago with Pearl Harbor and Armageddon.

There will be the curiosity factor that will be in it's favor, so I see a potential big opening, but a lot is going to depend on the reviews. Snyder has not been associated with quality films or being a good director, I don't know how much slack he's going to get, and Goyer's MoS script was horrible, he absolutely has to do better with this, and he needs serious help.

If the films opens the same or less than MoS then the film will be seen as a disappointment.

It does not have to match Avengers, or even be a billion dollar film.

charl_huntress 12-12-2013 05:12 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 27416527)
EVERYONE will want to see Superman and Batman on the screen for the first time. This is making a billion$.

I certainly will like it too, but I dispute everyone will want to see Superman and Batman. There have been a lot of comic movies of late, and both characters have had different movies in the last few years. I don't know tbh. I hope it does, but I won't just say that it will. I do hope it does though.

Wise 12-12-2013 05:29 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
I think it depends alot on the reviews.

The first week will guarantee about 250 - 400.

But if this thing starts getting bad press and a horrible metacritic and tomatometer I think it'll affect the box office dramatically.

It needs the reviews to guarantee staying power.

Samuel Jackson 12-12-2013 05:29 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
$800m

Wise 12-12-2013 05:32 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DA_Champion (Post 27417843)
I think it needs to:

1) Outgross Man of Steel, even after the inflation correction;
2) Be in the top 5 highest grossing movies of the year;

Keeping in mind being in the top five in 2015 is going to be harder than pretty much any year prior.

Avengers 2
Star Wars VII
James Bond 24
Independence Day 2
Ant Man

I have faith Batman/Superman can do it. i don't know if it'll be the number 1 of the year, but I think it has a good chance of being second or third.

Fallen Angel 12-12-2013 05:32 PM

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^^
If these two can't beat Ant Man they may as well retire from the superhero business.

Quote:

Originally Posted by charl_huntress (Post 27418241)
I certainly will like it too, but I dispute everyone will want to see Superman and Batman. There have been a lot of comic movies of late, and both characters have had different movies in the last few years. I don't know tbh. I hope it does, but I won't just say that it will. I do hope it does though.

Not on the same screen though and that's what will get people interested. This could get the same criticism as MOS and still out perform it by miles simply by the fact that these two characters are on the same screen.

charl_huntress 12-12-2013 05:35 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 27418415)
Not on the same screen though and that's what will get people interested. This could get the same criticism as MOS and still out perform it by miles simply by the fact that these two characters are on the same screen.

I do hope so and you could very well be right. I don't feel as confident about that number though. Lots of variables and other factors could make that not feasible. Also, I just wouldn't want to predict that because I think that gives others some sort of benchmark to what makes this film successful. I don't even think it needs to do a billion dollars to be a good or successful movie.

Fallen Angel 12-12-2013 05:39 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by charl_huntress (Post 27418445)
I do hope so and you could very well be right. I don't feel as confident about that number though. Lots of variables and other factors could make that not feasible. Also, I just wouldn't want to predict that because I think that gives others some sort of benchmark to what makes this film successful. I don't even think it needs to do a billion dollars to be a good or successful movie.

Oh me too say it doesn't make a billion. I won't be complaining as long as i like the movie. I just think the interest of these characters interacting on the same screen will just get everyone excited and this isn't including us fanboys/girls.

Samuel Jackson 12-12-2013 05:41 PM

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I just want a good film! The rest is gravy and biscuits.

jmc 12-12-2013 05:49 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Everyone do yourselves a favour. Don't bother having a bar of success.

ЯɘvlveR 12-12-2013 05:58 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
it should make atleast a billion dollars. it's superman and batman for f' sake.

roach 12-12-2013 06:04 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmc (Post 27418571)
Everyone do yourselves a favour. Don't bother having a bar of success.

I have a bar of whiskey

MrsKent26 12-12-2013 06:49 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
It depends on who's "bar of success" we're talking about.

I think WB wants a billion and that's why they're throwing these other heroes in there instead of making a Superman sequel.

I just want it to make enough money that WB considers making some Superman sequels after this.

metaphysician 12-12-2013 07:09 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Depends on the budget, but my guess is, if it doesn't break a billion dollars, WB will view it as a disappointment. They, from their own perspective, have pulled out all the stops to make it a hit, as far as adding Batman to it goes. Whatever degree their expectations for a Batman reboot might be tempered by the challenges reboots face, are probably counterbalanced by their expectations for Superman drawing an audience.

Unbreakable Lex 12-12-2013 07:37 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
I think breaking a billion is the new bar.

Lencho01 12-12-2013 07:52 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Like a gajillion bazillion dollars or something around there.

Lencho01 12-12-2013 07:54 PM

Re: The box office "bar of success" for Batman/ Superman.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmc (Post 27418571)
Everyone do yourselves a favour. Don't bother having a bar of success.

Quote:

Originally Posted by roach (Post 27418709)
I have a bar of whiskey

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