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Chance Jackson 12-22-2013 12:36 AM

Frigga's and Loki's tricks
 
Have they been explained outside of the movies at all? like in tie in comic books, or something? Unless the illusions are caused by tech it kind of looks like they might be magic... I mean it can't be a random Aesir power that only some Aesir inherit since MCU loki isn't Aesir at all IIRC

On another note is it known what happened to the casket of ancient winter? Loki had it before he fell, and I wonder if it too will become an infinity stone in this universe

Dr. Evil 12-22-2013 12:59 AM

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This needs to be in the Thor forum.

metaphysician 12-22-2013 11:12 AM

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Yes. And the short version is "yes its magic" and "yes its science", because the two aren't contradictory. If you can make an illusion by waving your hand and willing it, its magic. If you know *why* you can do that, and have rigorously studied the mechanisms by which it works, then its also science.

Moonwing 12-22-2013 03:57 PM

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It`s like "force" in Star Wars or "biotics" in Mass Effect or "psykers" from Warhammer 40k (thought this one and SW are more like science-fantasy than pure SF but thats the better for discussion) - it`s some abilities that have some pseudo-scientific explanation but may be seen as magic. It`s about energy search and does one have affinity with it it look like all high cast asgardianse have such an affinity but channel it differently while the search is , perhaps, the same.

Chance Jackson 12-22-2013 08:29 PM

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It could very well work like the biotic or midiclorean/force systems but what I'm wondering about is whether or not their is an official MCU explanation for whatever system allows both Aesir and Frost Giants to use the same tricks and is it the same system Odin used on baby Loki?

Are the infinity stones tied into it? Loki says he could accomplish alot with the Aether...

Moonwing 12-23-2013 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chance Jackson (Post 27491715)
It could very well work like the biotic or midiclorean/force systems but what I'm wondering about is whether or not their is an official MCU explanation for whatever system allows both Aesir and Frost Giants to use the same tricks and is it the same system Odin used on baby Loki?

Are the infinity stones tied into it? Loki says he could accomplish alot with the Aether...

Well, we can assume that Aesir, Vanir and Jotun all are basically belong to one species and they are just different races that share most characteristics and can interbreed, with Jotun being perhaps the oldest, "proto species" among them. They all seems to share longevity, affinity with "source"(again they utilize it differently - Jotun use it to direct elemental control while Aesir and Vanir use it more sophisticated way - Frigga`s and Loki tricks- ironically Thor himself utilize it in basic, elemental control, way) and extreme durability-so perhaps Loki was just born looking like more "advanced" race of the species (small and with hair) -it rare but can happen.

So I do not think it linked with infinity stones and Loki give the Aether to Collector so I doubt he will use it.

metaphysician 12-23-2013 11:21 AM

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I'm not sure I'd say that Jotuns and Aesir are the same species. They probably do have a connection to the same power source, but that's simply because there are probably a common set of exotic physical laws and energies that superpowers of any kind tap, whether you are Jotun, Asgardian, or Human.

Moonwing 12-23-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by metaphysician (Post 27494925)
I'm not sure I'd say that Jotuns and Aesir are the same species. They probably do have a connection to the same power source, but that's simply because there are probably a common set of exotic physical laws and energies that superpowers of any kind tap, whether you are Jotun, Asgardian, or Human.

They share too much with each other-in mythology they have children all the time, Odin`s mother was Jotun for example and mother of Thor sons too and thous children retain all of the qualities of parents. It all can be count out as "in myth and MU all can interbreed", but if we go with scientific explanation it can be close to truth in my opinion.

Vartha 12-23-2013 11:41 AM

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Well they keep saying the Magic that Frigga taught Loki IS a science, but they don't over explain it anywhere like they did with the force, and I'm happy with that.
Silver Surfer and FF use Cosmic Energies while Asgardians use what has been called "Odin Force and Thor Force" in the comics. It's energy more than likely unseen by humans. I like to called it Rune Force because it IS sentinent and only one All-Father at a time may use the power.

Chance Jackson 12-24-2013 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonwing (Post 27495005)
They share too much with each other-in mythology they have children all the time, Odin`s mother was Jotun for example and mother of Thor sons too and thous children retain all of the qualities of parents. It all can be count out as "in myth and MU all can interbreed", but if we go with scientific explanation it can be close to truth in my opinion.

do we know if that's the case in MCU though?

Moonwing 12-24-2013 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chance Jackson (Post 27499951)
do we know if that's the case in MCU though?

Probably not as it is "questionable" content that Dis do not like much. But that go in a sense that thous details, like Jotuns in the royal house line, will never be discussed or mentioned, not that they are not true to MCU. Odin, for example, take Loki to Asgard to ensure peace between realms so we can assume he had some political marriage in mind (high-standing asgardian maid perhaps) and with that knew that interbreeding is possible, so it`s not unheard of in MCU.

metaphysician 12-24-2013 11:48 PM

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Of course, it could just be that sufficient magical and/or technological power, such as Odin's, can make species difference irrelevant for the purposes of interbreeding.

Or for that matter, it could just be that all vaguely-humanoid species can interbreed, as a simple matter of setting and genre.


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