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Thread Manager 12-26-2013 04:21 AM

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ThePhantasm 12-26-2013 04:21 AM

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My gut feeling is that is what they are going for. It would create a strong emotional tie between the characters, and give both of them character arcs that are intertwined.

I've got to go for now, but the conversation was fun.

MrsKent26 12-26-2013 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePhantasm (Post 27508735)
Yeah, they constantly teach each other stuff... being opposites in so many ways they learn a lot from each other. It is why I'm happy they are doing a Batman / Superman film before Justice League... their complex relationship is the heart of the League and it deserves some special care to get it right. (At least I'm hoping this is a Batman / Superman movie and not a Justice League movie...!)

Ditto. I was disappointed at first when this movie was announced because I wanted a Supes sequel. But then I got to thinking about what Batman's inclusion really means. And if done well, it could be such a complex and moving exploration of these characters and how they interact.

TheNextNolan22 12-26-2013 04:36 AM

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I think we could get something like, especially since Terrio is on board to revise the script and he did an excellent job of tightly interlocking characters in that film.

MrsKent26 12-26-2013 04:43 AM

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I feel more optimistic about it too now that he's on board. This could be really ****ing good.

TheNextNolan22 12-26-2013 04:46 AM

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Agreed. Bring in JP and BOOM. :D

MrsKent26 12-26-2013 04:51 AM

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That's a BEST MOVIE EVER recipe right there.

Rowsdower! 12-26-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheNextNolan22 (Post 27508757)
Agreed. Bring in JP and BOOM. :D

Why would they cast a pair of Hype posters in this movie? I mean, they're cool guys, but how do we even know they can act?

Chip Chipperson 12-26-2013 10:28 AM

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I think Affleck knows that people expect him to hog up the spotlight as batman, but he's a comic fan and he understands this is a supes sequel first and foremost.

and with him and Terrio involved with the script, I'm confident that this is gonna be the best DC movie yet. Call me crazy if you want to, but I truly believe it has a chance to be better than TDK.

DACrowe 12-26-2013 10:10 PM

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The Phantasm wrote:

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I don't mean a slobbering lunatic, I mean broken more along the lines of what Keaton was than Bale.

Ultimately the no-kill rule doesn't make sense. You'd have to kill the Joker to stop him from killing others. He keeps breaking out of Arkham, there's no way he is going to ever reform. The most sensible and pragmatic thing to do would be to end him, like Supes ended Zod (and Supes had better upbringing than Bruce!). But if you are psychologically broken so that you can't even pick up a gun and point it at someone because of your trauma, so that you can't even consider killing someone because of your horror at what you'd see yourself becoming, then it makes sense.

We are talking about a guy psychologically broken enough to dress as a bat, study the sciences, bring his body to peak condition, and enlist teenagers as his side-kicks. Of course he's still heroic. I'm not talking All-Star Batman insane. I'm just saying deep down that trauma fundamentally altered how he thinks of the world so that killing someone willfully would basically break his sanity.
I actually think this is a big part of the appeal for many viewers of TDK. Until that film, I doubt much of the GA was aware of his "one rule" and while he doesn't take it to the extremes of how Frank Miller's Batman will do it or how he will save the Joker in Arkham Origins, the fact that he would rather crash than run over the Joker as he guns down citizens, and then later saves Joker from death baffles fans. Nolan's Batman is very much a victim of his psychological need to save everyone...resulting in him finally being forced to confront that issue in an unwinnable situation when he must choose between letting Two-Face kill Jim Gordon's son, or kill Harvey Dent.

However, if you want something a little darker and more violent with a practiced ambivalence, I could see that working. It would certainly be par for the course with Snyder at the helm.

ThePowerCosmic 12-26-2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chip Chipperson (Post 27509329)
I think Affleck knows that people expect him to hog up the spotlight as batman, but he's a comic fan and he understands this is a supes sequel first and foremost.

and with him and Terrio involved with the script, I'm confident that this is gonna be the best DC movie yet. Call me crazy if you want to, but I truly believe it has a chance to be better than TDK.



Yeah, I agree. Aside from JL, this is the DC movie I've been waiting on for a long time.

MrMaooz 12-26-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rowsdower! (Post 27509217)
Why would they cast a pair of Hype posters in this movie? I mean, they're cool guys, but how do we even know they can act?

:lmao:

herolee10 12-27-2013 08:51 AM

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I wasn't sure where to ask this, but since this was slightly brought up a few posts ago in this thread, I wanted to get everyone else's thoughts on this as well....


On a realistic level, how many of Batman's villains would you guys say would be qualified and more than likely to be given the death penalty IF the rules of the real world actually applied to Gotham when it came to their court system. And if so, which villains in particular?

slumcat 12-27-2013 10:20 AM

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Ben Affleck yet again listed for the Razzies this year for his performance in Runner Runner. This would be his 9th nomination!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=470875

TheFlamingCoco 12-27-2013 10:23 AM

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http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct...unner-20131004

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainm...scenes-2013410
Funny, because Affleck's performance is pretty much the only thing people seem to like about that film :D

http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews...ew-1200665983/

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/x5116...othing-else-is

slumcat 12-27-2013 10:36 AM

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Well the Razzie voters clearly thought differently. :D

Chip Chipperson 12-27-2013 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by slumcat (Post 27514869)
Ben Affleck yet again listed for the Razzies this year for his performance in Runner Runner. This would be his 9th nomination!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=470875

like the a previous poster mentioned, Affleck was the most redeemable quality about that movie, that performance further sold me on him being a kickass bruce wayne.

BatLobsterRises 12-27-2013 10:43 AM

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Damn, NINE razzie noms? I wonder what the record is for an actor or actress.

Goshdarn Batman 12-27-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by herolee10 (Post 27514587)
On a realistic level, how many of Batman's villains would you guys say would be qualified and more than likely to be given the death penalty IF the rules of the real world actually applied to Gotham when it came to their court system. And if so, which villains in particular?

Killer Croc, Black Mask, Ra's Al Ghul and The Joker.

slumcat 12-27-2013 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chip Chipperson (Post 27514977)
like the a previous poster mentioned, Affleck was the most redeemable quality about that movie, that performance further sold me on him being a kickass bruce wayne.

I can't believe that Affleck and Arterton get nominates yet somehow Timberlake escapes!

Vulture actually did an article saying that Runner Runner was the final straw and that Timberlake should quit acting for good. And yet he's not listed here!

BatLobsterRises 12-27-2013 10:49 AM

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I think Timberlake kind of sucks as an actor. I even felt he gave an overly showy performance in The Social Network, which is supposedly his most acclaimed work. It just felt kind of like stunt casting to me.

Chip Chipperson 12-27-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by slumcat (Post 27515003)
I can't believe that Affleck and Arterton get nominates yet somehow Timberlake escapes!

Vulture actually did an article saying that Runner Runner was the final straw and that Timberlake should quit acting for good. And yet he's not listed here!

it makes sense considering how the anti-affleck movement has been going strong for more than a decade now, and Timberlake has escaped any criticism that deserves to go his way.

I'm really hoping he knocks it out of the park in BvS, he is the RDJ of the DC Universe now.

BattleAngel 12-27-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DACrowe (Post 27513055)
The Phantasm wrote:



I actually think this is a big part of the appeal for many viewers of TDK. Until that film, I doubt much of the GA was aware of his "one rule" and while he doesn't take it to the extremes of how Frank Miller's Batman will do it or how he will save the Joker in Arkham Origins, the fact that he would rather crash than run over the Joker as he guns down citizens, and then later saves Joker from death baffles fans. Nolan's Batman is very much a victim of his psychological need to save everyone...resulting in him finally being forced to confront that issue in an unwinnable situation when he must choose between letting Two-Face kill Jim Gordon's son, or kill Harvey Dent.

Nonsense. I've said it a zillion times, and people seem to just ignore it...

Bruce Wayne kills a huge number of people in Batman Begins. The "I don't have to save you" logic doesn't hold up when you directly cause the situation from which a person needs saving. In court, Batman would be charged with murduring Ra's, even if it wasn't first degree.

But forget Ra's... He exploads the League of Shadows! He commits arson resulting in the death of untold scores of people- from nameless ninjas to the fake Ra's, to the criminal they asked him to behead (worst of all).

He kills Talia. It may not be murder, but he fires the shots that directly cause her to die from a broken neck.

Batman's kill count in TDKT is probably somewhere between 5 and 50, depending on how many LoS ninjas died in the explosion.

It's possible that this thematic hypocrisy is intentional commentary on how Wayne is capable of justifying things through mental gymnastics, but I think it's more than likely an example of lazy, hollow writing.

Lots to like about TDKT but it is thematically bankrupt, and is less realistic than the 89 Batman by far.

TheFlamingCoco 12-27-2013 11:41 AM

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^ Let's see.

TDK trilogy deathcount..by Bruce.

1.The league of Shadows explosion (fake ra's DEFINITELY dies, and Ducard has a MUCH smaller army when the LOS returns.) That's over 1.

2. Ra's is left in a train to die. At least two, so far.

3. The truck driver probably bought the farm.

4. Even assuming he didn't, Two face had to die. 3-4

5. He totally cause Talia to wreck her vehicle and die. 1.

Okay, so about five deaths (four of the truck driver survived), with the final film having the lowest body count. Not counting all the people who were lost in the fire. That would probably put the tally over ten-from someone whose no-kill code is stated repeatedly throughout the course of a trilogy.


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