The SuperHeroHype Forums

The SuperHeroHype Forums (http://forums.superherohype.com/index.php)
-   Captain America Sequels (http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=441)
-   -   Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow? (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=476567)

herolee10 04-04-2014 10:51 PM

Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Well it's no secret that there are some, if not a lot, who wished that Agent 13, aka Sharon Carter, could have been more prominent in "The Winter Soldier".

Needless to say, the belief is that her role will be expanded upon in the third Captain American film.

However, in the same time, many were impressed with both Black Widow's characterization in this film and her chemistry/interactions with Steve Rogers in this film.

So my question is, if you guys had a choice based on what you've seen so far in "The Winter Soldier", who would you guys prefer to be/remain as the "Female Lead" for the next Captain America film between Natasha/Black Widow or Sharon/Agent 13?

Or is there some other character that you guys had in mind?

batboy99 04-04-2014 10:54 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Why can't we have both?

Loki882 04-04-2014 10:57 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
If forced to choose just one, then I'd pick Sharon. I loved BW and her role in this movie, but I feel like they set it up really well for Sharon to have a much bigger role next time around. Natasha's comments at the end seemed to be deliberately pointing in that direction. I'm hoping that Marvel will finally get off of their collective asses and finally give BW her own movie.

Harry Dresden 04-04-2014 11:00 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
As much as I love BW, it was pretty clear at the end that the Russo brothers are going to use Agent 13 in the next movie.

herolee10 04-04-2014 11:04 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
You know, I gotta admit, major props to the Russos for not going down the cliche route of having Steve and Natasha hooking up with each other.

I mean, seriously, it would have been so easy for them (the Russos) to pair up the two on a romantic note given how great their chemistry was. The intimacy shared between two characters, it's not often I see a fictional pairing between a man and a woman where they can be that close (and not related to each other) and yet still not cross that line.

They're pretty much the MCU's version of Harry and Hermione.lol

Loki882 04-04-2014 11:11 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herolee10 (Post 28379179)
You know, I gotta admit, major props to the Russos for not going down the cliche route of having Steve and Natasha hooking up with each other.

I mean, seriously, it would have been so easy for them (the Russos) to pair up the two on a romantic note given how great their chemistry was. The intimacy shared between two characters, it's not often I see a fictional pairing between a man and a woman where they can be that close (and not related to each other) and yet still not cross that line.

They're pretty much the MCU's version of Harry and Hermione.lol

Not to mention Evans and Johansson's close friendship offscreen. I actually wouldn't have had much of a problem if Steve and Natasha HAD hooked up precisely because they had such good chemistry. But yes, it was cool to see a superhero movie go the non-traditional route in that regard for once.

AVEITWITHJAMON 04-04-2014 11:16 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
I loved BW in this movie, but now its time to giver her her own movie so in Cap 3 I hope Sharon gets more focus.

jonathancrane 04-04-2014 11:19 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Give BW a film and elevate Sharon's presence (and have her and Steve fight Crossbones and Sin.)

Warhammer 04-04-2014 11:35 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
It's safe to assume that Black Widow won't be in the next Captain America film. They set up Sharon Carter in this film for a reason. It will be Cap, Falcon, and Carter.

BullMcGiveny 04-04-2014 11:44 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
It's gonna be Black Widow, since they've already established her as a close ally of Steve's and that she's already worked with Sam and possibly has an unrevealed history with Bucky.

Sharon will have a bigger role, I'm guessing she'll be Steve and Natasha's source in the CIA. She'll offer some help in terms of intelligence or logistics, but she won't be doing the legwork or fighting the big battles.

Raiden 04-04-2014 11:49 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
I think after AOU, BW is primed for a solo movie for herself, because as a supporting character she can't really go higher after 3 Marvel movies without it, so I think it is better to make Sharon the main leading lady in Cap 3.

Donnie Darko 04-04-2014 11:49 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki882 (Post 28379123)
If forced to choose just one, then I'd pick Sharon. I loved BW and her role in this movie, but I feel like they set it up really well for Sharon to have a much bigger role next time around. Natasha's comments at the end seemed to be deliberately pointing in that direction. I'm hoping that Marvel will finally get off of their collective asses and finally give BW her own movie.

All this.

TheVileOne 04-04-2014 11:58 PM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
I'm curious, do they maybe want to change Sharon's relation from Peggy Carter? They would only refer to her as Sharon here. She was never revealed as a Carter.

Donnie Darko 04-05-2014 12:02 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
They could potentially make her Peggy's granddaughter, meaning Cap is indirectly responsible for Sharon even being alive.

Loki882 04-05-2014 12:03 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVileOne (Post 28379635)
I'm curious, do they maybe want to change Sharon's relation from Peggy Carter? They would only refer to her as Sharon here. She was never revealed as a Carter.

Emily VanCamp and the Russo's all referred to her as "Sharon Carter" in interviews. Also, in her first scene with Cap, she mentioned that she was on the phone with her "aunt." Anyone who knows Sharon from the comics could guess what they're probably referencing.

HamBone 04-05-2014 12:08 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
If I had to pick I guess I would go with Black Widow. Since her role is so much larger than Sharon's, plus her being in 2 other MCU films, I'm naturally more invested in her. She and Steve have great dynamic. He seems to bring out the more playful side of her. That being said, I would actually be surprise if she returned for Cap 3. And I'm going to go on record and say I don't think we'll get a BW movie. I don't think Marvel has any real intention of making one.

As for Sharon, I feel like her role in the MCU could go either way. She could become Steve's love interest in the 3rd film or she could fall to the wayside.

seishin87 04-05-2014 12:11 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
I voted someone else. Not because I don't want Sharon. It's almost a given she's gonna be a bigger role, possibly the main/lead female role in Cap 3. That said I feel ScarJo as Widow in Cap has been done justice. Maybe have Nat show up in something else during Phase 3. Maybe she'll be in Ant-Man? As for Cap 3 I want them to introduce another female role, I want to see Rachel Leighton/Diamondback. She is a personal favorite of mine and basically kinda the Cap's Catwoman/Bad girl type character with a diamond and serpent theme. Not to mention her backstory ties into Crossbones, so that could be a way to develope both characters. With Sharon in the mix it would be interesting to see good girl/ bad girl type dynamic going on. I know I'm not the only one who would like to see an adaption of Diamondback.

dru-zod2501 04-05-2014 12:13 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
they pretty much set 13 up exactly like they did Natasha in IM2. They telegraphed her playing a larger role in later films.

CB Fan 04-05-2014 12:16 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Let Sharon take over, I was hoping to see more of her in TWS but I like the set up for the bigger role in Cap3.

Jake Cassidy 04-05-2014 12:40 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhammer (Post 28379445)
It's safe to assume that Black Widow won't be in the next Captain America film. They set up Sharon Carter in this film for a reason. It will be Cap, Falcon, and Carter.

Going after Bucky with Crossbones getting in the way. :woot:

herolee10 04-05-2014 01:02 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
I gotta admit, a part of me feels bad that I just want to see Steve Rogers actually enjoy having the luxury of knowing what it's like to be in a actual romantic relationship with someone within the MCU, and that I'm hoping Sharon ends up taking the challenge...but in the same time, I really don't want her to be lost within the shadow of being CA's love interest.

Loki882 04-05-2014 02:02 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
The trick is to show that she's a badass former SHIELD turned CIA agent who just happens to be dating/sleeping with Cap. She can do fine on her own, she's with Cap because she likes/loves him, period. That's how you do it.

psylockolussus 04-05-2014 02:17 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Agent 13, of course!

As much as I liked Black Widow in the Winter Soldier, I feel like she shouldn't stay as a supporting character in Captain America movies. I think after Avengers 2, Black Widow's next appearance should be in a Hulk movie or her own movie.

speno94 04-05-2014 09:40 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Yeah, I think Agent 13 should be the female lead in Cap 3 as well.

I agree that Black Widow shouldn't stay a supporting character in the Cap films. I think the reason she was in this particular film is because they wanted to continue that camaraderie that BW and Cap had in the Battle of New York in Avengers and also because the audience already know who this she is, so there is no setting her up in Cap 2 and you can jump straight into the film.

Also I think they put her in this film as a nod to her relationship between her and WS in the comics even though they weren't going with the relationship route, but yeah, I don't think she will be in future Cap films.

TalismanRing 04-05-2014 10:06 AM

Re: Who should be the "Female Lead" in the next film? Agent 13 or Black Widow?
 
Black Widow.

Though I have a sneaking suspicion Whedon is going to pair her with The Hulk in Ultron (which is giving me bad Buffy/Spike flashbacks). She might get her own film but there's no real reason she can't do both especially since there doesn't seem to be room on the schedule for a solo for her for the next 3-4 years. It's also not as if she wasn't basically a co-lead in this one.

I loved their chemistry and while it only built up to a great friendship with some flirting I think it could evolve into something very romantic and maybe even shock a bit sexy. They're lucky enough I think to have matched Steve exceedingly well twice with his female lead and the first time it had to be cut off because of moving the story forward. To do it again seems to be throwing away a great opportunity for an actual great pairing in the MCU. The only long term one that really works in Tony/Pepper and that really didn't pay off until their third film with an Avengers assist.

I thought Van Camp did fine as Sharon (far more believable in her short scenes as an agent than Cobie Smolders as Maria Hill - she's too soft for Hill) but her interaction with Steve was so minimal it's pretty much just him starting over from scratch again. If it's Evans' last solo as Cap it's not going to have much weight (at least nothing to match the ups and downs of the comics - which include her killing when brainwashed and then mistakenly killing his child) even if it's successful. Also, by the next film Steve will have even closer/stronger relationships with Sam and Bucky than anyone new. Hey how about one of them as someone else. Come on Marvel, be truly daring! ;)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:14 AM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com, A property of CraveOnline, a divison of AtomicOnline, LLC © 2009 CraveOnline Media, LLC. All Rights Reserved.