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Old 03-05-2008, 11:22 PM   #73
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Default Re: The Shadow, the Phantom or Dick Tracy?

Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele View Post
The Shadow had the best costume. Somehow Alec Baldwin with a fake nose and hankerchief around his mouth looks ****ing badass.

Intrestingly (or not), none of the above films are based on comicbooks. The Phantom and Dick Tracy are comic strips from newspapers, Rocketeer was a graphic novel, and The Shadow was a radio show.
Originally Posted by Kent Allard View Post
While there was a famous radio show based on The Shadow - that is not where the character was really created.

The Shadow was a pulp hero; The Shadow Magazine was published twice a month for the majority of the magazine's run. The famous radio show would debut only after the pulp fiction magazine had been published for 6 years.

Now before anyone comes along with 2 cents, yes the vague notion of a mysterious character called The Shadow first premiered on July 31, 1930 as a host/narrator for Street & Smith's Detective Story Hour. The host proved unexpectedly popular and some smart executive knew a great opportunity when he saw it. The creation of The Shadow as a character/property happened when Walter Gibson was paid to do so by S&S and made history.
Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele View Post
Ah yes, but....

Well, the character began on a radio show, it wasn't a 'vague notion'. The Shadow was the narrator. You're absolutely correct that the pulps turned him into a proper character, but he was invented for the radio show.
Originally Posted by Kent Allard View Post
I still must disagree, while indeed true Detective Story Hour was where the journey began [so to speak] I do not consider it accurate to say that The Shadow [as in the character, rather than the name of a voice] was invented for a radio show. All that the Shadow was for Detective Story Hour was just a narrator - he wasn't a character, didn't take part in any of the stories, and never appeared in Street & Smith's Detective Story Magazine [from which the show's stories were taken].

The real invention of the character didn't happen until Gibson was paid to create The Shadow in S&S's new Shadow Magazine, ergo The Shadow is a pulp hero. I think the distinction about The Shadow's creation/original format must be made because are clear examples of hero characters created for radio shows - of which The Lone Ranger and The Green Hornet are prime examples.
Just wanted to quote a discussion where two people are disagreeing with each other....but doing it without being rude to each other. It's refreshing to see.

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