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Old 07-04-2008, 04:56 PM   #63
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Default Re: Am I the only one who feels like B'89 is vastly overrated?

Originally Posted by Bubastis View Post
Hear me out. I'm not trying to hate on the movie; I appreciate the things that it did for the Batman Franchise (for the better) and what it means to people. Visually it kicks major ass, Elfman's score still gives me goosebumps, and Jack Nicholson has fun as the joker.

Please, before you flame me, please keep in mind that this is my own personal opinion. OK.

But here's my other feeling on the film, and there are quotes from other people in here. I can't stand Keaton's hollow performance and lack of chemistry with the also hollow Kim Bassinger. (who was only in the film because of her relationship with Jon "Giant Spider" Peters) I hate the idea that Batman exists solely out of revenge for his parents, or that he would be willing to kill the joker with a gun. I hate the lack of any reason to care about any of the characters, I hate the lack of any connection between the moment where Bruce Wayne's parents are shot and Bruce Wayne becoming Batman, I hate the lack of any explanation as to how the Joker's Goons got on top of the church tower, I hate the way one shot from a six-shooter that has inexplicably been hidden in the joker's pant leg can destroy the frickin' bat-plane. I hate the poor characterization of Batman. The goddamn prince songs, to this day, make the film teeth-grittingly dated and unwatchable, as are the sequences of the Joker dancing like a moron to them. I don't know why the Joker feels the necessity to create an ant-batman PR campaign as if he has something to gain by the public hating batman, like they're running for mayor of Gotham. I don't know why Alfred would let Vicki into the batcave, or why Bruce would see anything in her, or why she would see anything in him. I hate her lack of reaction to Bruce Wayne being Batman.

Originally Posted by Paste Pot Pete View Post
Actually, he obviously tried to kill him a couple times.

He blew up Axis Chemicals (and every goon inside), and you can assume he thought Joker was inside too.

But if that's not enough for you, he aims his Batwing machine guns and missiles DIRECTLY at the Joker.

Then, confronting him in the tower, he says "I'm going to kill you" - before punching him right off the rooftop. Had Joker not held on, he'd have been dead right then.
Yes, it's rather unanimous that this Batman was a killer and it was in his best interests to wipe out the Joker and his goons. I've only skimmed the last two pages but are people arguing over whether Batman killed or not...

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