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Old 06-30-2009, 08:17 PM   #9
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1. In "Transformers," there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles -- excuse me, Mission City -- that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage? Also, didn't Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by "a technological civilization far superior to our own"? How did they spin that?
It is shown that the government ATTEMPTED to cover it up. The filmmakers showing us Leo's website and Turturro's website and their popularity makes it obvious that this did not work entirely. The Transformers are a well known urban legend. Let's face it, it's really farfetched (which is the point), but given the size of the event, it's within the realm of possibility that the government attempted to cover up exactly what happened. I doubt too many people were taking cell phone footage while running for their lives, you know?

Shia LaBeouf 2. There are two pieces of the Allspark cube left: the military has one under lock and key, and Sam discovers another. The Decepticons steal one and bring Megatron back to life. But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus, he has to find the Matrix of Leadership on the other side of the globe. Why not use the other piece? Mikaela (Megan Fox) has it in her backpack the whole time. It brought his kitchen appliances to life, why can't it do the same for Optimus?
Don't the Decepticons also murder one of their own and take its spark AND the shard to revive Megatron? Wouldn't Optimus need a spark (As Jetfire shows us, when the Matrix isn't enough to power Prime back up).

Where is it said that Shia knows how the Decepticons brought Megatron back to life? And even if he knew, and did think it was possible...the shard brought the kitchen appliances to life as murderous, brainless killing machines.


3. Speaking of Megatron's rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little "Doctor" robot popped out down there, but he's about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar?
I don't know, maybe in a world with technology reverse engineered from alien robots.

Stay with me here, because this is crazy, and hard to follow:

The Navy guys thought they saw six, but they were mistaken, there were only five. Realism.

Shia LaBeouf 4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor's German accent -- and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents -- why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn't he just get his eyes adjusted? You'd think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure.
They seemed to be scanners of some sort.

5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him.
She's a human sized Decepticon. She's able to approximate skin, eyes, and sweat, but you're worried that she might be too heavy? Suspend your disbelief.

And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn't it fixed at the end of the last movie?
Bumblebee said all of what, eleven words in TRANSFORMERS? As an actor/singer, I've had sore throats where I lost my voice, then my voice came back, and then went away again. He struggles a bit to speak in the beginning of ROTF, and Sam says he's playing it up as well, and he clearly is. Why do people keep asking this question when the movie provides two pretty obvious explanations as to why Bumblebee isn't speaking?

He likes speaking through the radio. Or he has trouble doing otherwise.

Pick one.

All Bumblee knows is that Sam shouldn't cheat on Mikaela. I'd say he's trying pretty damn clearly in that scene to tell Sam something's "wrong", what with the bits of the car moving around and shaking and things spraying on people, but there's nothing to suggest that Bumblee knows she's a Decepticon.

Megan Fox 6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids?
Why does descendant have to mean "kids" in the context of alien machines?

And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead?
The same way soldiers go to war, die, and manage to have children that survive them. They already had offspring before they died.

I mean...are you serious with that question?

And if the Fallen could only destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the originals just gang up on him back in the day?
I think it's implied that they did. Which is why he was in hiding, which is why he apparently formed the Decepticons. To do his dirty work.

And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen?
Megatron beat Prime by being dishonorable and ganging up on him with three other Transformers. Obviously Jetfire's parts were pretty good parts. I think there's also a clear element of "Prime's done messing around" there. He's back, he has business to take care of, and he does so.

7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)?
It's a movie. Obviously someone thought it would be neat to have a jet graveyard outside an Air and Space museum. It helps with Jetfire's angle.

Who gives a damn if that's not there in the real world? It's not a documentary, it's Transformers.

What's next, people *****ing about how Chicago's Lower Wacker doesn't actually run as long as it appears to in BATMAN BEGINS?

Megan Fox 8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, with few paved roads and the Israeli border between them, so how can they drive from one to the other in a couple of hours.
Who says it was a couple of hours? Where is that line of dialogue, did I miss it?

And the Pyramids are said to be shooting distance from the Mediterranean, but they are actually well over 80 miles inland.

Even if the Navy ship had a secret rail gun, and even if the captain would take an order to fire from a former agent of a government branch that no longer exists (over a walkie-talkie that inexplicably starts working again), how could it hit a moving target from that distance?

1. It's clearly some sort of high tech superweapon.
2. It's a desperate situation, suspend your disbelief
3. It's a massive target, and one assumes they have some of ability to target via satellite or something

Per Wikipedia:

The U.S. Navy has tested a railgun that accelerates a 7 pound projectile to seven times the speed of sound.]

Now, obviously the weapon in the movie is a little more advanced and powerful. Suspend your disbelief.

9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?!
I think you're supposed to make up your own mind about what happens there. Could be Robot Heaven, could be a vision of Robot Heaven.

Megan Fox 10. Where does Sam's bandage come from? What about his extra sock? Why does Sam's roommate not contribute anything at all?
He does, remember? He takes out a security guard before he shocks himself in the balls.

What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice?
Being the robot devil to the Decepticons? Building legions of evil robots?

How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet?
It was commandeered by Soundwave and his liquid circuit thingies.

Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg?
Because he thinks she's hot and he's like a fifth or sixth her size. He can't exactly mount her normally.

Why do we have to see John Turturro's thong?
You don't have to. The moment is pretty much broadcast before it happens, and if you choose to look at length, or at all, it says more about you than it does about the movie giving you the opportunity to see it.

Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time?
Because what other forms are the landing Decepticon soldiers who want to turn into things other than jagged metal things supposed to take on? Camels? Buildings? The only other vehicles in the area for them to scan are the other Decepticons. Or maybe the Constructicons are like the grunts of the Decepticon army. Clones in a sense.

Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them?

The government wanted the autobots off the planet because they thought they were drawing the Decepticons there.

Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it?
I don't think the ancient Egyptians build that pyramid in this universe. If they did, they probably did it to honor the alien visitors or something.

Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen's hand than in Sam's?
Same reason it can become dust. It transforms?

And how do Mikaela's pants stay so clean?
What in blue hell are you talking about?


This reminds me of the SIMPSONS where Bart is trying to find a geode to take to school and he holds up a bran muffin.

These aren't plot holes. Plot holes are things that affect the PLOT working, not editing or script errors, or things that people just don't like or can't be bothered to pay attention to elements of the movie and reason out.

"Perception is the enemy of reason."


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