Originally Posted by protocida
I also love Starscream, but I tough he got A LOT weaker in TF:RotF. In the 1° movie, he was badass. Easily defeated Ratchet and Ironhide, destroyed the whole jet squadron and his relationship with Megatron was perfectly condensed in one line.
In the 2° movie, his treachrous aspect was almost completelly left out, and he actually seems loyal to Megatron. He got a little weaker too.
I agree with this. In the first movie Ironhide shouts "its starscream" and i felt that the autobots thought that he was a big threat and he was because he owned them.
I agree with you that he was nerfed in ROTF. Though with his awkward body, he didnt stand much of a chance against Prime.
Furthermore, as you point out, he wasnt really treacherous in ROTF. I got the feeling that he was so scared of Megatron that he was barely breathing at his presence. I liked him more in G1 were he was a great fighter (though a coward when things didnt go his way) who would often get in Megatron's face until Megatron decided he had had enough of him.
Now, i dont know how powerful Ironhide is supposed to be (Ratchet cant be so powerful, he is a medic) but with those cannons, those barrelrolls and that voice, he gets off as a veteran, second only to Prime. So when SS beat him and Ratchet, that was special!
The decepticons just werent that big a threat this time.
PS: SS getting beaten with his own hand TWICE (first prime, then meg) was hilarious!