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Old 07-14-2009, 12:44 PM   #82
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Default Re: "Only a Prime can defeat me" The Fallen Thread!

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LOL . I didnt see Ironhide's shots do much damage.
Ha ha, sorry about that. But yeah, Prime didnt take Demolisher down on his own.

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Its a different thing killing someone in battle, or killing someone because he will destroy the universe and its a whole other thing to execute a prisoner of war or to go all Hostel on your opponent. "Give me your face".
WHAT THE HELL!
So the final battle in ROTF isnt a battle? The Fallen was threatening to destory not only the autobots new adopted planet, but kill every living thing on it as well, after seeing your own planet destroyed and "Whole generations lost" as Prime said, thats more than enough of reason to go Hostel on an opponent IMO.

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Then thats where the movie fails. They bring Devastator in and make him a vacuum cleaner, they bring a TF demigod and make him underpowered because of lack of energon... If you like it, then you will love it if Unicron is beaten by Prime in the third amirite? Prime will punch him and he ll die.
Sorry, but i feel you are being a bit ridiculous here, if Prime defeats Unicron EVER in Transformers, thats the day I stop reading/watching it. The Fallen wasnt a demigod, he was a Prime who turned evil. And no matter who you are, if you dont have much energy, you wont be that strong.

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Because.... Really now, do you have to make assumptions that suit you and the film? So Megatron could be beaten by Bumblebee now?
When did I say anything remotely close to that? All I said was size doesnt matter, you need the power to with it as well, not to mention bravery.

Also, in the comics and cartoon, Prime and Megatron are essentially equals (and Megatron's cannon is no more powerful than Prime's), they have defeated each in the past due to circumstances and how much energon they have had. Its no different in the movies. Being dead for 2 years isnt going to make you powerful.


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Yeah, the humans used guns on them and the decepticons didnt even flinch. But then... BAM they used their magic rail gun. Why dont they put that on tanks or give one to optimus? One shot killed Devastator, with two-three they ll kill unicron.
Devastator wasnt even the size of a pyramid, Unicron is the size of a planet, a rail gun would be useless. And as I told you before there is such thing as a rail gun, and it IS that big and powerful.

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The majority in this forum claims that the fallen was underpowered and Prime was overpowered. I think its objective. Why do people keep defending this **** movie? You think bay has enough brain in his head to care about the balance of the movie? His only direction to ILM for the forest fight was that Prime should at some point rip Grindor's face in two. Do you really think he thought about the balance? In the first one he presented the decepticons as real threats, hard to beat, killing machines and now they were a joke.
Just because the majority in the forum says I have to? And in fact the majority in the forum loved Prime in the movie. I keep defending it because I LIKED it, crazy concept huh? A different opinion! Give me ROTF over the ****** likes of the FF movies, Elektra, the Punisher movies, and especially X-Men 3, the ultimate **** movie.

I liked it, and I have no problem with you not liking it so give me the same courtesy.

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I didnt say that it was a size issue. But i do think that because RotRod has the Matrix, it makes him just as powerful.
The Matrix boosts their power, but it depends on how powerful they were before becoming a Prime, IMO Optimus was superior.

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As for the math on this, sure Magnus is a great warrior and beating Galvatron says a lot. Besides, havent you seen the villain job to the good guys before? In any case, Galvatron is supposed to be better than Megatron. Its stated in the movie and i think that makes him a very powerful decepticon. The fact that it all gets mixed up is because G1 was never too thought out.
So whats your problem with all of this happening in the movies? Its all about the situations, etc that the characters are in at that point.

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