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Old 08-23-2011, 09:44 AM   #53
Clark Kent > Superman
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Default Re: Batman-"the most realistic" superhero?

Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
suicide, you are getting wrapped up in details here.

your first line equates to a family taking in an outsider no questions asked. Yes, that is a believable trait.
I disagree.

I do not believe that a family finding a small child, would basically abduct him without informing the authorities... Unless they weren't very nice people.

And if they were the kind of people who go around abducting babies, I hardly think he'd have grown up in an environment of good morals.

Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
your second line refers to being feared for an outsider, you still use your talents to rise above the ranks. yes, that too is a believable trait.
We're not talking about a little bit of racial prejudice fear.

We're talking about overcoming a lifetime of hiding your talents because you feel there is no doubt people would capture and experiment on you if you told them what you really were.

It'd be like walking around in Nazi Germany with a big sign around your neck saying 'I'm a jew'.

It just isn't realistic.

Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
suits irrelevant and I'm a personal believer any sort of secret identity would be mute as well. it's almost impossible. But my discussion was never based on identities.
You discussion seems to leave out everything that doesn't suit your arguement.

For your arguement to have any validation, we have to not talk about powers, aliens... And now secret identities?


Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
and again, how many wealthy individuals have had childhood tragedy in their lives and have decided to deal with them in a vigilante based lifestyle?

In the same way as you say, if clark had no powers, he would be a journalist (which is debatable but is possible and IS realistic), a powerless bruce is no more likely to be a superhero than clark kent is. As grounded each one of bruce's unique traits seem to be to acquire on paper, the mentality to become a 'batman' and the amalgamation of these skilss is probably one of the most far fetched things to want to pull off.

and yes, i use the numbers game because there is nothing stopping a batman from have occurred, his tragedy and money influence are not unique to him alone. Yet he stands alone

batman in parts is very realistic but the full combination isn't, as there would have been at least one permutation of it in history so far and there's yet to be one established.
Every single thing in life is subjective to me.

How Batman comes about is a confluence of event that are completely unique. Take out any of the aspects and you might not have gotten Batman. True.

I don't know how many insanely wealthy western orphans, have been left with only a butler to raise them.

I tell you what, if you can find ONE, then we can discuss whether those examples are comparable.

But even then, I'm sure there are enough differences for us to be able to say it's not exactly the same, which is WHY the same outcome is not achieved.

Something doesn't have to have happened exactly that way before, for it to be feesible.

You just have to say 'Can this logically happen'.

And of all the Superheroes, I'd say Batman is the most feesible'.

Like I said, the combination of experiences, skills, abilities and financial backing would be a very rare ocurrance. Which is why we have no real world examples running around.

But it COULD happen.

The combination of coincidences that have to occur in order for YOU to have been born are a miracle. But your not unrealistic... Obviously... Your here

Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
The reason i think the superman archtype is more realistic is because it's easily replicable. take a high end teacher going into a poor neighbourhood school and becoming its best teacher and winning the respect of the students. Or a volunteer who winds up in a native village and decides to stay and become its ambassordor. or high end meat eaters who become vegans and fight to save the planet. the superman archetype is quite grounded when you look at it from that point of view. remember scale plays no part in my discussion. so while i may give fictional examples, there are thousands of real life ones i could give as well.
Again I don't think your arguement is fair.

Your saying Batman is unrealistic because no one out there is exactly the same and has done what he's done.

But Superman is realistic because a teacher from another country could come in and impress a bunch of students.

The situations you've given are not comparable.

And it seems like your employing a double standard.

Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
so the supes mythos is simply a scaled up version of what normal proactive people in different cultures do on an everyday basis to enhance said culture.

and that's what makes it more realistic.
Well you could apply the same logic to Batman.

He's just a scaled up version of someone who stands up to the school bully after his friend gets hurt by one of their cronies.

Still doesn't prove realism.

Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
personally i think clark became a journalist because that would fit his hero ethos. had he had no powers, he would have maybe become a motivational speaker or writer/ something along those lines. Maybe even a politician

as for clark, i think he is both a human on earth and also kryptonian among humans. As a dual heritage individual, i walk similar lines, feeling like an african in western society and also a westerner in african societies. how he feels depends on his surroundings and his company. like clark at work is different to clark with lana etc. same with spokesperson superman is very different to supes when hes speaking to wonderwoman and bats.

there's nothing wrong with having both together as we are never just one thing and again, that helps with his realism.
Agree with all of that

Superman: "I can only tell you what I believe, Diana. humankind has to be allowed to climb to its own destiny. We can't carry them there."
Flash: "But that's what she's saying. What's the point? Why should they need us at all?"
Superman: "To catch them if they fall."
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