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Old 01-04-2012, 07:04 AM   #62
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Originally Posted by JB-the-Hunter View Post
Only looking at it on the outside. When this film hits I'm pretty sure we can expect Widow to be a fully fleshed out, useful character.

Excuse me while I laugh. HA!

The only x-girls who have been done justice to is Jean Grey (Not Dark Phoenix), Rebecca Romijn's Mystique, Lady Deathstrike and maybe Ellen Page's Kitty.

Storm, Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique, Rogue, Emma Frost, Moira, Psylocke, Silverfox and Angel Salvadore were done no justice
I agree with you about most of those, except for Jennifer's Mystique, who was easily one of the best parts and most prominent and interesting characters in XMFC. Also, while Paquin's Rogue doesn't even remotely resemble the ass-kickin' redneck girl from the comics, she was still a very prominent lead in the X-trilogy, and her character was in no way demeaning or dumbed-down.

So, with Jean, Deathstrike, Kitty Pryde, Rogue and not one but *two* Mystiques to their credit, yeah, the X-series has done a fantastic job with portraying empowered women with, er, powers.

Originally Posted by xeno000 View Post

It's interesting that you dismissed BW as a "femme fatale sexpot in a catsuit" while in the next sentence bemoaning the lack of female heroes in the movie. Black Widow might be wearing a catsuit, but she's hardly on the canvas merely for window dressing. It has already been stated that she isn't going to be a damsel or relegated to love interest status. Maria Hill and half of SHIELD also wear similar outfits; Hawkeye is outfitted to display his manly charms; even Coulson turns up in a SHIELD jumpsuit in one promo shot. Would you dismiss them as easily?

Also, most of the heroines you named as preferable to BW wear some variation on the "sexy swimsuit" in the comics. She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel wear extremely high-cut thong suits, Wanda wears a strapless version of same, while Tigra (a personal favorite of mine) wears a string bikini. Compared to the way those characters are typically dressed, BW's costume is positively prudish. It's also functional and practical, something that can't be said of a latex thong bathing suit and thigh boots, with a stylishly retro domino mask and a sash that's only going to catch on things.

While I would love for there to be more than one heroine in the movie, I'm perfectly happy with the one who is there and how she has been portrayed. Natasha isn't super-powered but she is a very believable badass, something I can't say about every female action hero. She has been treated respectfully by the writers, if not by fans, something Whedon can be expected to continue. BW hasn't been sent off to infiltrate a brothel or strip joint (so far), nor is sexuality the be-all and end-all of the character. Eventually other heroines will be added to the mix, as Feige has said that the team's roster will change in sequels. Wanda will never appear, sadly, but Ms. Marvel is a safe bet, with or without her trademark swimsuit. I don't hold out much hope for Tigra (maybe on EMH) but one day the Wasp will be rescued from Wright's development hell and brought on board. (That despite many male fans saying that she's boring and useless. I wonder why that is?)
Wanda has been portrayed for most of her comic book life showing less skin than a nun. For most of her career, she wore a pink body stocking that covered her arms, legs and torso with the red corset over top; the only skin she showed was her face. It's only in the last decade or so that artists have tried to **** her up; mainly in Ultimate form.

She-Hulk wears a prim one-piece; and she's a bodybuilder. Not exactly pornstar material for the vast majority of horndoggy teenage boys.

Ms. Marvel's one-piece is similarly prim by today's standards. Hell, Wonder Woman shows more T&A and cleavage than Carol, and she's supposed to be the poster girl for female empowerment.

And Tigra, while she wears a bikini, is covered in fur. Fur. 'Nuff said.

And Wasp? Wasp has never dressed sexy.

Originally Posted by Adamantium Man View Post
That's a valid point only if you're watching porn to get in the mood. Most movies aren't about species perpetuation. You're not supposed to watch a woman in a movie with your dick, the only thought in your head being about humping her.

I can't believe that you just wrote that, actually.
Pretty damn creepy there, Shadowlord.


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