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Old 03-05-2012, 10:21 AM   #9
Prime
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Default Re: Should this Superman kill? - Part 1

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Originally Posted by Dr. View Post
But that’s the underlying concern/issue that many folks (some fans and a lot of critics) have. Because of Supes’ great powers and the high stakes and threat level that the villain(s) need to represent, there would seem to be obvious/logical potential for some very dramatic life-and-death dilemmas. So it produces frustration and questions (or, at least, boredom) when writers only ever fashion G-rated, “no-lose” scenarios for Supes to confront. It’s like there’s this conspicuous “elephant in the room” that audiences (quite naturally wonder about) but which is never (or, at best, awkwardly) addressed.

Clearly, there’s a conflict between those who think of Superman as an actual character who can carry a narrative and those who guard his wholesome image as it exists on pajamas and kindergarten lunchboxes (“think of the children!”). Imo, it’s one or the other; the melding of both is the problem.

Now, no one is suggesting that Supes be reimagined as some kind of dark assassin. I’d say that Batman in the Nolanverse balanced the challenges quite nicely. In BB, he declared that he’s “no executioner.” In TDK, he had the Joker in his sights but resisted the impulse to cut him down in cold blood. So there’s the moral idealism of the hero preserved. But under extreme, “no-win” circumstances, there was no dramatic hesitation (or contrived angst) about the inadvertent deaths of Ducard and Dent.
Well I can see what you are trying to say and do I get your point, but that is just how I perceive the character and therefore I cannot accept him ending someone's life in any way or form. Though, not for a second would I consider myself a guardian of the ´´children image of Superman`` you speak of, I do think of Superman as an actual character but I believe he can be that and carry a narrative without that narrative resorting to him killing. I don't think Superman should have exclusively G-rated storylines at all but I also think he should never become an R-rated. I enjoy the more gritty, angst (but not overt angst, which can easily happen) driven stories in the Superman lore, but only to a point and never when the character himself is being filled with traits that I would give to someone like Batman. You can create death/life dilemmas, dramatic moments and ´´lose`` type situations for Superman without ´´going for the kill``. There are plenty of story's in books, movies outside of Superman, with different characters, that have those traits but nobody kills anyone in them. I could start citing examples on how I think should be done but I really have no intention of writing a novel instead of a post here. I'll say again, it's up to the writer to create interesting stories without resorting to something that IN MY VIEW of the character would go against everything he stands for. You know, that's just how I feel about the character and if someone feels Superman could kill that's their belief. I believe such a viewpoint represent a misunderstanding of the character. But this is one of the few things in life that I do see as black and white issue, for me, Superman ending a life on purpose or a life he could save is a NO NO.

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