Originally Posted by OsGom
I have to disagree. X1 & X2 was very much the Wolverine & Xmen show. Also, those "exceptional" and "extreme states" are exactly what was missing to demonstrate Logan's internal struggle. You're right that they were rare occurrences but in comics you have the luxury of internal dialog to address his war with himself. In film it is necessary to show the audience exactly what Logan and by extension his friends, are up against.
For example, during the mansion raid, have Wolverine go full feral (because he is wounded and absorbs a lot of drugs), and when Stryker is introduced, instead of just standing there when Iceman pops his ice wall, Wolverine furiously starts to claw through it until Rogue grabs him, he turns on Rogue in a fury poised to stab her but quickly comes to his senses. Then later when they get to Bobby's, have a scene where Logan addresses the incident and shares his inner turmoil with Rogue.
This of course is just an example of something they could have done. It's a subtle alteration but conveys just how dangerous he can be.
Dude, I don't think that would have worked in that scene, I don't think the situation was extreme enough for him to lose control like that.
I know you are just trying to put forth an example of a way to portray it amongst the scenarios we had, but it would not have worked, there wasn't enough factors to put him *that* on edge.
The drugs were just sleeping drugs, and Logan was not interested in killing stryker, remember he sheathed his claws when he appeared, he wanted answers.
He would not have been in a bloodlust frenzy at that moment in time.
See, you can't just try and shoehorn that kind of moment into a story, you have to have the story serve that kind of character moment.
The scene with him controlling his beastial side in X1 was pretty good, stopping himself from killing those guys in the bar, when he spots Rogue looking at him, That is a subtle way of portraying that struggle onscreen, and serves the story.
Apologies, I'm not angry, just seemed like you were purposely being obtuse.
it's ok, it's fine, I just wanted to say that I don't troll, I just try to discuss in these kinds of talks.
Lol! I'm no editor but I find it hard to believe that a clip of Logan screaming would change the rating to R. But maybe you're privy to information to which I am not.
Dude, it is explained on the deleted scenes commentary by Bryan Singer himself, on the second dvd disc of extras.
They show the full uncut scene with Logan screaming as he impales the soldier into the fridge(with the camera staying on him, instead of cutting away to Ice-man). Singer said that they had to edit the scene away from Logan, as the ratings board were going to bump up the rating.
I don't recall what rating it was, and I am not sure the rankings of your ratings, maybe he said it would have been bumped to a '17' rating instead of an 'R'? Over here we have PG, 12, 15, 18...I don't know how yours works, but it was to be bumped up anyway.
A scene can be deemed too intense for a certain rating with how it portrays violence, and such a simple edit can make all the difference.
Please understand, I am not saying that they need to add buckets of gore and an R rating to effectively adapt the character (although I wouldn't be against it). I just think there's a lot of depth to this character that they failed to portray in the films.
The one scene where that got it right was his Weapon X flashback in X1. That was a man who you could tell was tortured. Too bad they completely changed that scene in the Origin and screwed it all up.
Also if they could make Wolvie a runt again, I would be thrilled.
I didn't like how they changed the flashback sequence either. The scene was perfect that way.
Yeah, they can go into that struggle dramatically, without gorey violence, and I guess that is what they are gonna do by adapting the CC/FM story, as that is what it is all about, and really, it was the first time it was truly explored in the comics.
Remember in the intro to the collected edition, where Chris Claremont talks about how he was on a long drive with Frank Miller, FM saying he only knows Wolverine as a psychotic killer type and is not interested in doing a book about that him, but Claremont explains to him the idea that Logan is a failed samurai, who cannot find that peace inside himself, and is trying to find it, that is his struggle, and so Miller got interested in doing the character for that kind of story.
That is the thing, they needed a solo comic to explore that indepth, so as soon as they had that first solo mini series, that's what they did, just as they need a Wolverine solo movie to explore it indepth, which is hopefully what we are gonna get.