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Old 05-14-2012, 08:21 AM   #113
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Default Re: The Avengers casting thread

Originally Posted by DrCosmic View Post
What is this pressure? Where does it come from? Who expresses it? Where is it felt?
From the fans, and from Marvel themselves.
Feige is in the business of making Marvel work in a new media. There may come a day in the not too distant future in which Marvel characters are known primarily through film and television and video games rather than through comic books; because face it, even with all the beaucoup box office a lot of these CBMs get, it's not helping to generate new sales for the comics at all.

The latest draft that Cornish turned in of Ant-Man back in December was the *fourth,* by his own reckoning. That means that the *studio* -- i.e., Feige --- keeps sending Cornish back to the drawing board to get the character and the story right. Feige has no intention of letting writers or directors make "In Name Only" characters in the MCU, which has been a problem with properties licensed to other studios.

Whoa. Comicbook films are still very much in the standalone business. It's no more outdated than Batman, Spider-Man or Superman's movies - they haven't come out yet, so how can they be outdated.

Notice how you say a movie notion is unpopular in a fictional universe. That's a pretty good example about how you're not really thinking about reality, but you believe that something fictional has an effect on the popularity of something real.
The shared universe has been something that fans have been asking for for decades. Ever since Burton, ever since Donner. Fans and studios and directors have clashed over it since the 70s. Nolan's concept is the outdated one --- that these heroes need to exist separately from each other, that audiences simply wouldn't buy into a "true" superhero universe with *lots* of men in tights flying around shooting at each other with laser beams out of their asses. "X-Men" and "Heroes" and "Fantastic Four" and "Smallville" have already gone to great lengths to disprove that notion, and "Avengers" is the final nail in that particular coffin.

The question asked before 2012 was "how come these superheroes can't exist in the same universe?" Going forward, the question will be, "How come you left this particular superhero out of the shared universe? Is he not good enough or something?"

So... the audience would laugh at him in a solo movie, but think he's cool in a team up movie, surrounded by non-laughable superheroes?
No, they'd think he's "cool" in a team-up movie when he's shown as part of the team he's always been associated with. Ant-Man is an Avenger: what part of that do you *still* not understand....? Ant-Man is not a solo performer. Period.

I think this opinion shows that you don't understand Edgar Wright, and illustrates why you are so confused that MS is behind him on this. He makes great movies. Period. It's what he does. He doesn't make okay movies. He doesn't even make good movies. He does make movies that people don't generally go see, but the ones that do... dude. People will come see it, and love it, just on his involvement. Very, very few other directors can make that happen.
If he makes movies that people don't generally go see, do you think that's a great selling point for Kevin Feige right now....? Marvel Studios is in the business of making money for their properties. We can debate the evils of capitalism and greed versus artistic vision for generations to come, but Marvel Studios has made it plain that they're not interested in an auteur placing his (or her) visionary stamp on their properties --- they're *only* interested in generating a large and loyal fanbase for their superhero movies.

And what's the alternative? Bring him into Avengers to take up screen time so the general audience can laugh and point and wonder why this waste of space is there?

Standalones will continue to make money and entertain. Why you think they don't make sense is beyond me. They make as much sense as any movie ever made. And your examples, of characters who did not start out solo, and have never been solo is just silly. I'm sorry that you don't see the potential in Ant-Man that Edgar Wright does. He's a great and interesting character, who deserves a full movie to explore all the immense complexities of his psyche and his powers. Not to have some anemic version of him shoved into a team up movie that barely has time to have a story with the characters it already has in it.
Again: he's an Avenger. Avenger.
Taking a character who is known virtually entirely as the member of a particular team and trying to spinoff a solo title when he hasn't even been shown on that team in the first place....*that's* what doesn't make sense.


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