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Old 05-16-2012, 01:09 PM   #360
Hit-Girl
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Default Re: The Captain America/Chris Evans Thread - Part 2

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Originally Posted by The Guard View Post
I like the backbone he displayed, when he was displaying backbone.

Backbone, in terms of being a leader, is standing up for whats morally right and whats best for the team and the mission. Telling someone off just because you can...especially when that person's actions aren't actually affecting anything...isn't an appropriate move for a leader.

Leaders shouldn't pick fights. Or allow them to continue. They should most certainly try to diffuse the situation without violence.

The main problem I have with it is that this is Rogers' first impulse. To resolve the issue with violence. He never even tries to really talk to Stark, to find any common ground. The scene works because of the actors, but it just feels like a somewhat forced way to create drama between them.

If that moment was caused by Loki's spear...I could see that, but if that's the case, it wasn't well handled or shown.



Stark essentially helped Captain America defeat Loki. He may have saved Rogers' life. Whatever his methods, whatever teasing her may have done, Stark got results. Stark went after Thor, but this didn't really affect their mission. Thor taking Loki did. Stark just didn't listen to Cap about going after Thor.

By the time Captain America admonishes him, Stark was helping. He was obviously assisting Banner in finding the cube. He was also working on finding what Fury was hiding from everyone else.

And it's a moot point, because Captain America thinking Stark was a jerk doesn't mean its okay for him to be a jerk, too.

Rogers defending Banner and telling Stark to knock it off would have been fine. But Rogers then takes it farther.



I don't have a whole lot of respect for Captain America when he can't ignore a few jokes.



Except that, as has been pointed out, Banner didn't need him to fight for him. Banner was fine. Rogers response essentially made he himself look like a bully by the end of it.

Captain America's comments about Stark pretending to be a hero ring false (because given his past actions, Stark clearly isn't just pretending) as do Stark's about Captain America. They're both out of line there, but Rogers was out of line first.
It seemed Captain was perturbed, but okay with Stark up until the point when Stark prodded Banner with that pointy, electrical thing. It made total sense that Captain would get pissed at Stark the way he did, since no one really had any idea of the level of control Banner had over the Hulk. Stark's "curiosity" could have resulted in everyone on the Helicarrier getting killed.

You see this type of no nonsense attitude in lots of leaders, especially those in the military. A single faulty action can result in the death of your squad mates. Captain's anger was justified.

Also, Guard, you don't seem to consider that Captain's knowledge on Stark was probably limited to Shield's dossiers. According to Shield, Stark was unfit to be a part of the Avengers Initiative. Yes, Stark did some heroic deeds, but that doesn't negate the negative aspects of his personality. Also, you seem to forget the way he acted in Iron Man 2... You know, the whole getting wasted and putting people's lives in danger by playing with his lethal weapons like they were child toys...


Last edited by Hit-Girl; 05-16-2012 at 01:20 PM.
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