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Old 07-28-2012, 09:53 AM   #88
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Default Re: Batman Begins is the greatest Batman Film to me.

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Originally Posted by Majik1387 View Post
Because compared to 89 Joker, TDK Joker reeked of horrible, horrible, plot-hole filled writing.
You mean like announcing on public TV that you'll be at the Gotham parade at midnight to give free cash out, and there's no Cops there waiting for you when you arrive? Like being able to shoot the Batwing down with one shot using a gimmick long barrel gun? You mean like randomly climbing the Gotham cathedral on the spur of the moment and having henchmen stashed up there already?

I like Batman 1989, but it all revolved around the Joker. The Joker got an origin story from Jack Napier to super villain, the Joker was after Vicki Vale, the Joker killed Batman's parents. The whole narrative was focused on the Joker. That's something that the movie was criticized over:

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Many observed that Burton was more interested in the Joker rather than Batman in terms of characterization and screen time. Comic book fans reacted negatively over the Joker murdering Thomas and Martha Wayne. In the comic book, Joe Chill is responsible. Writer Sam Hamm, who is a comic book fan, said it was Burton's idea to have the Joker murder Wayne's parents. "The Writer's Strike was going on," Hamm continued, "and Tim had the other writers do that. I also hold innocent to Alfred letting Vicki Vale into the Batcave," he reasoned. "Fans were ticked off with that, and I agree. That would have been Alfred's last day of employment at Wayne Manor."
http://destinyosbourne.hubpages.com/hub/the-batman

Ledger's Joker had less screen time than Batman, Dent, and even Gordon. He was not the narrative focus. He wasn't even in the final showdown scene in the movie.

Ledger created a memorable character through great performance. Nicholson dominated the story and screen time. I love Nicholson's Joker, but that's what he did.

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