Originally Posted by jmc
I said 'probably'. If Begins doesn't exist then IM influence comes from elsewhere and who knows how it may have turned out. Could have been bad, could have been good, and maybe Marvels movies do eventuate, but I'm betting the Avengers is less likely to have existed without Begins influencing Favreau first and foremost.
Originally Posted by Majik1387
Again, to that I call bull. The origin story of superheroes, as intricate as BB, has been done before BB did it, and it wasn't like BB was a box office sensation where other studios felt the need to copy it or take pointers from it.
I think your both right in a sense. Spiderman was really the first huge
box office comic book smash of this past generation. I think regardless of anything else, Marvel became aware of the willingness of the public to embrace films like this on a large scale again. X-men, and to a smaller extent Blade, hardly ever get credit for re-starting the comic book film as a serious form of entertainment, but they certainly paved the way for Spiderman.
Batman Begins however, showed that you could definitely go another way with this material and still succeed. BB itself wasn't the huge money maker TDK was, but it was the precursor for not only more serious interpretations, but also the reboot.
Since BB, Hulk, X-men, Superman, Spiderman, Punisher etc, have all benefited from the knowledge that the audience will indeed forgive you if you come back and try to get it right within 5 years or so. Before, if the franchise flamed out, it was pretty much left for dead. And if not dead, it would be years before they even thought about trying it again.
I would also say that BB helped usher in the "origin/prequel" story as much more viable than it was before. Star Trek, Casino Royale, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I'm not saying every movie that delves into the beginnings of it's protagonists have BB to thank, but more often then not, it's cited as an influence on that particular film.