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Old 08-06-2012, 09:52 PM   #167
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Default Re: The Batsuit Master Thread - Part 2

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Good, that's what I wanted to know. If blue can at least sometimes be blue and not secret black, and there exists visual examples of instances where blue and black exist on the same page that goes back decades (indicating the blue is not secret black in those examples), then we can acknowledge that Batman being blue and not secretly black represents a significant portion of the character's visual history.
As I said above, my interest is not in the relative merits of the ‘new look’ Batman but in the refutation of a particular point regarding the validity of the ‘symbolic black’ premise.

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This should inform whether or not we find statements like "The black is symbolic of blue" to be meaningful in any modern discussion of the character. I'm not going to tell anyone they're wrong about which interpretation of Batman they find more valuable than the other, but personally, I find Kane's opinion on the matter to be about as relevant to modern Batman as early stories where Batman shot people to death. We're long past that state of affairs, in both cases.
Are you implying that the idea of “black being symbolic of blue” is not meaningful in any “modern” discussion of the character? Which raises another question: Are you saying that the iconic archetype that was for all intents and purposes defined by Finger and Kane* in Detective #27 is irrelevant—and here I refer not only to the preeminent nature of black but the archetype in whole? Or are you simply picking out one particular aspect of that archetype… a singular aspect that perhaps more than any other has literally defined the colorization of Batman in the most widespread example of the character's look in modern discussion, i.e., the cinematic representation.

And as for Kane’s “opinion” I find it ironic that “Kane’s opinion” is summarily dismissed on the one hand while on the other Bob Kane is presented as if Kane and Kane alone is the only person who has ever acknowledged the fact that at times Batman is meant to appear clad in black even when the coloring on the page is blue.

* Kane's swipes in that and future editions not withstanding.

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