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Old 10-08-2012, 08:22 AM   #431
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Default Re: Who should be the villain in an Avengers sequel? (Poll)

Originally Posted by DrCosmic View Post
Assuming they had a detailed conversation - even thought we've shown it was completely unnecessary - why wouldn't they tell him not to keep quiet like they've told everyone else.

It's incredible how many baseless assumptions you're pretty sure about.
Your first sentence makes absolutely no sense grammatically, so I'm not sure if you're arguing with me or agreeing with me. But I'll put it to you again: if they *plan* to use Thanos in Phase III, why the hell would they tell Starlin that they *plan* to use one of his most beloved creations in two Phase II movies, but not tell him that they *plan* to use him to wrap up this mythical "trilogy" of yours in Phase III....? That would be pretty damn deceptive of them, no?

Starlin: "So, you *plan* to use my Thanos in GOTG and Avengers other movies?"
Marvel: ""
Starlin: "....You sure? 'Cause you don't sound so sure."
Marvel: "Trust us. Have we ever lied to you? "

Hmmm... you're not really hung up on 'context' are you? Or accurate quoting? He said elements folded into phase II would pay off in the culmination of phase II and III. He didn't say hint, he said build, as in the subplots of Phase II would be relevant to Avengers 2 as they are Avengers 3.

Your entire point hinges on the idea that when he said 'elements' he was talking about two sets of elements, one to build to Phase II's culmination and another set to build to Phase III's culmination. That's a bit of a leap, but not one that explicitly excluded by the language like they idea they'll just hint at Phase III villains instead of starting to build them up. Oh, and it also requires that he had stopped answering the question he was asked mid-paragraph, something that he doesn't usually (ever?) do.

Here's your quote, in full:

"There's a great track record now about lobbing something in at the last moment to get the audience buzzing," Marvel's Kevin Feige told MTV News about the secret villain tucked into the ending of "The Avengers," which hits Blu-ray and DVD on September 25. "Particularly when it came to Thanos, [we knew] that most people in that audience had no idea who that purple guy was — but they could clearly tell he was important, and knew if they asked the two or three people sitting next to them, somebody would know who he was."

The exact trajectory of where Thanos goes from here isn't entirely known, but most fans feel it's all but certain that the Mad Titan will appear in "Guardians of the Galaxy," going on to serve as the major villain of Joss Whedon's "Avengers" sequel. Feige's lips are sealed when it comes to the particulars, but he's quick to add that there is a very clear plan in place for Thanos' next appearance.

"Clearly, there's a purpose to us putting him in the end of that movie. We do have plans for him," said Feige. "I wouldn't say we ever feel the need to rush anything one way or the other. We succeeded in Phase One because we stuck to our guns and stuck to the plan. That plan took place over many, many years and it ultimately paid off. I see Phase Two unfolding in the same way of us taking our time, us doing what's right for each individual movie, while folding in elements that will not only build up to the culmination of Phase Two, but even Phase Three."

Wherever Thanos shows up next, he might look significantly different from his first appearance. Asked if Marvel feels married to the casting of Damion Poitier, the actor behind Thanos in the "Avengers" stinger, Feige said, "I think we feel pretty free to recast. That was cast for literally that one shot. Depending on what the role requires from future movies, we'll go from there."
There's nothing in that quote that says anything about "we *plan* to use Thanos for Phase Three." In fact, everything Feige says there indicates he's not even sure how much Thanos they *plan* to use: "depending on what the role requires from future movies, we'll go from there."

So if they don't have a clear *plan* for Thanos beyond two movies, then it's pretty clear they don't have a *plan* for a trilogy or a great big IG fireworks finale in Phase Three. Right?

I'm not saying that Thanos *won't* take off and become a huge hit with the masses. I'm not saying that a hugely popular Thanos would require MS to rethink their plans and choose *later* to reuse him in Phase Three. What I'm saying is there's absolutely no proof or hint that they *plan* to use Thanos as a recurring archnemesis for the Avengers in a pre-designed trilogy or series that has a definite ending for the franchise in mind. Do you not see that at all....?


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