Originally Posted by Chewy
Did we not see Hawkeye kill some guards? Did we not see Loki cut some dude's eye out?
Star Wars didn't have more on-screen death than Avengers. Neither featured dead, civilian bodies flailing about. If you want that I assume you don't understand that children are part of the intended audience.
Hmmm... to restate again: the issue that I underlined was non-implied death, not dead bodies. Showing the people in the buildings that are about to get hit for instance. Avengers did have on-screen deaths earlier in the films of nameless combatants, yes, but that's a different horse than having civilians killed, and understandably so. That may be part of the line that can't be crossed for the rating thing. I think the main difference between Avengers and films like Star Wars and Transformers 3 is the third act though. In the former two, you have lots of clear casualties in that final act, in Avengers... none? Part of that has to do with the Avengers not having an army of redshirts with them, I'm sure, but a few clear deaths I think would have put them that tonal consistency on par with Star Wars and Transformers.
Again, it's understandable, not wanting to tell the story of a pyrric victory, but it's not something that was very compelling to me. The case in point was the ending montage, yes, we can guess a lot of people died by the candlelight vigils, but the core message was one of victory and hope. Put the natural consequences out of your mind. It's a creative choice, probably the right one in this case, but it does create an unanswered dichotomy.
Originally Posted by Joeyjojo72
The level of graphic violence was exactly what it had to be in order to get a pg-13 rating. I loved TDK, but the laughably bloodless violence was one of my least favorite things about the movie. Same with TDKR. But I understood that it was a trade-off that allowed for pretty much limitless violence/bodycount.
Maybe a subtitle explaining that "a whole lot of people just died" after each scene of disaster would remove any ambiguities.
I guess that parallels my issue, I loved Avengers, but one of my least favorite things about the Avengers was the comically unharmed civilians during the third act. My reaction to the people running in the streets and not getting hit at all was the same in Avengers and TDKR. Lots of people running around, getting shot at, but it was like an episode of GI Joe in both cases, everybody's fine. I think that's weak, perhaps necessary, but weak.