10-25-2012, 12:16 PM
The Clown Prince of Crime
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Arkham Asylum
Re: TDKR Oscar Chances? - Part 1
Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_
The plot overall was just flimsy in how it strung together all it's elements.
I think I'd compare a lot of the movie to the BB Mr. Earle subplot. If you think about Mr. Earle, other than providing some Bruce Wayne tension, his character makes no sense. Why is he bad? Because he makes weapons? So do Lucius and Wayne apparently. Because he wants to make money and wants to protect his job when Bruce returns? Why is that bad? Bruce is the one doing all the insider trading anyways. It's also not established that he warrants any of the blame for the weapon being stolen.
In TDKR you have about five or six plotlines just that pointless.
Talia for example. Had this been a three movie character, she might have worked. Instead she was just in there to force a twist a la Batman Begins. Which made no sense. By movie three you'd already established the League of Shadows, and that Ra's Al Ghul could potentially have children. The twist was unnecessary, and quite frankly smacked of being completely baffling -- even with my foreknowledge of the character, I struggled to figure out why Bane simply wasn't the man in charge.
He was the "extreme" one anyways.
Talia was "carrying on her father's legacy". Bullsh**. She was carrying on Bane's legacy, which muddles Bane being just a lackey, as opposed to an equal partner.
Had they removed the twist, they may have been able to flesh that out a little more prior to the climax.
Instead it crammed into the last five meaningful minutes, and comes off as confused.
I think actually what is my least favorite aspect of the movie in hindsight is how much I remember of Blake, Catwoman, Bane, Talia and Bruce, and how very little I remember of actual Batman (who gets about 15 minutes of screentime). That just speaks to the volume of irrelevant characters and plotlines they crammed in this thing.
I couldn't agree more.
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