Originally Posted by Shikamaru
Agreed. That's probably why I feel it's pointless by now to further continue the arguments and feel like I don't have a lot of energy for them anymore (at least for the big serious ones). TDKR is a very controversial film within the Bat fanbase now that I think about it.
Agreed. This is the sensible way to go. We as fans need to acknowledge that each side has their reasons. Then again, people still bicker about Batman Returns. And I believe it was Pfieffer-Fan who pointed out after TDKR came out that this was Nolan's Batman Returns. Now, I'm agreeing. It's an entirely different animal from Batman Returns, but it does seem to be controversial in a lot of the choices made.
Originally Posted by The Joker
I am hoping when I get it at the end of the month a re-viewing of it will improve my opinion on it. It's happening for people in The Amazing Spider-Man forum. Their opinions on TASM have improved dramatically since purchasing it.
Sometimes another viewing of a movie can change your perspective. It's happened to me before. We'll see.
I'm hoping this does happen for you Joker, cause I respect your opinion and I know we'll probably never see 100% eye to eye on the film but I'm hoping that you and others who were highly disappointed will at least be able to make your peace with it and appreciate the good that's there rather than getting too tripped up on the negatives. I feel it's something I've had to do with all the Nolan films, because I'm such a fan and have such specific expectations for Batman. In truth, none of the movies were what I thought they'd be before I saw them. But I can honestly say that for each of them I got something that I eventually felt was better than the movie I had in my head going in.
With TDKR I saw it 4 times, three times in the first two weeks of release, then a fourth a month later. My experience went something like:
First time: IMAX. Like/loved it/was confused by a few things/overwhelmed/was just sad that it was all over plus the Aurora shooting made the movie seem inconsequential. Had a nagging sense that I didn't like it as much as I wanted to though.
(Went back and re-watched Batman Begins at some point in between)
Second time: IMAX. Really loved it this time, a bunch of my lingering questions felt answered either by little things I hadn't noticed in the film or being content with the room left by the film for interpretation. Really dug the connections back to Begins.
Third time: Regular screen. Still liked it a lot, but was focusing a bit more on the negative things (mainly trying to determine if Bane's plan made enough sense for me). Plus was just worn out from the film...it's long and bleak and that third Act is exhausting. Felt a bit burnt out on it.
Fourth time: IMAX. Really just put all thoughts aside, I knew this was gonna be my last theatrical viewing. Just tried to watch it again with as blank a slate as possible. Really enjoyed it, just let it wash over me and soaked it all in. Felt just as moved by all the key parts that stood out to me on first viewing, and was still picking up more nice little details. The ending really got to me. I felt content.
Though the one thing that always strikes me with TDKR is that I just don't want it to end. Both BB and TDK end with shots where you're like, "Yeah...THIS is the money shot right here". They leave you on this notion of "Batman is awesome, get pumped up". With Blake rising on the platform, it's not that I don't think it's a fitting image to land on, it's just that I never feel ready for it to end. Maybe it's just the knowledge that there will be no more Nolan Bat-films. It's extremely bittersweet for me.