Originally Posted by Deserana
Brilliant post and you also brought up things I never even considered! I haven't watched/listened to those videos but if these are the kind of issues the guy had then I don't really want to no offence to the guy but some of those points just sound... petty.
Thanks man. Yeah, it's not really worth the time honestly, it's mostly complaints you've heard before with a few newer, more perplexing ones thrown in. The guy sounded reasonably smart too so I was surprised that he said he had no idea what was going on in the stadium scene.
Another cool thing about that scene is that I think the "unsung hero" trigger-man aspect of Bane's plan is also a dark mirror of Bruce's goal of wanting to inspire Gotham with the assurance that a "a hero can be anyone". It's like the ultimate twisted perversion of that ideal. The mirrors between the two characters are constant throughout the movie, from obvious things like Bane using Camo Tumblers, to little visual cues like Bane's escape with Pavel as a callback to Batman escaping with Lau, as a lot of people pointed out after first seeing the prologue.
And as far as the Blake thing goes...I think with Bruce Wayne all you need is a motive. The fact that he fits the bill physically, is one of the wealthiest men in the world and mysteriously went missing for seven years and returned around the same time as the emergence of the Batman are three major boxes you can check after you have a motive for this guy to fight criminals. Once you can see through the playboy facade, it's pretty easy to figure him out. That's why Alfred urges him to start acting like playboy in the first place...there is the question waiting to be asked of "what Bruce Wayne does with his time and his money".
People make fun of the Blake thing and say it's dumb that he figured it out because he "saw Bruce's pain". He never said that. He saw his anger
. We all lose people and eventually have to bury the pain and sometimes anger that comes with that, without a doubt. But it's different in the case of Blake and Bruce. Their fathers were both shot and killed by criminals. They had a specific shared experience. I'm not saying it makes literal sense, but it makes movie sense and it makes emotional sense. That scene truly didn't bother me. On top of that, the orphans were already making up stories about Bruce being Batman. So that thought was already with Blake when he first saw Bruce and didn't come out of nowhere. He just had a gut feeling that it ended up being true. And his gut continues to be an asset to him throughout the film and quickly gets him promoted to detective.
Originally Posted by redfirebird2008
There is no such thing as a perfect movie, never mind a perfect trilogy of movies. So in that sense, the premise of this thread seems flawed to me.