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Old 11-16-2012, 11:52 PM   #38
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Default Re: Plot ideas based on SPOILERS (general discussion)

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I think it's a power that they can certainly add to the character, if they want, even if it's not in there to start with. And I think also that if Hela is related to Loki as she is in the comics, then more sneaky ways of getting what she wants, could certainly be used than just pure power. and this could certainly be a sneaky way of getting inside info on the Asgardians and how to defeat them.
I think you're right--they could do this.

This next quote is out of context but applicable here, too:

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crazy idea I know but it would sure as hell be a surprise twist to the comics fans!
You're right--they do have to change it up, otherwise, it's just a flip-book for the original comic.



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This is when Odin is killed. Now here is a crazy idea, but I'll be curious what jaqua99 thinks especially. What if, Surtur does appear, in addition to Hela and Malekith, and Thor is on Earth defending Earth, and it's just Odin and Loki and the Asgardians vs Surtur and Hela's armies, and Odin is killed (probably taking out Surtur in the process, so a BIG death). This would be a MAJOR twist on the comics. And since the Asgardians have not read the comics, they dont know that Surtur kills Odin anyway (neither would Thor know this for that matter), so they could easily blame and shun Thor for not being there when he was needed most on Asgard. And most interesting of all, if Odin is dead, and possibly Frigga dead, and Thor being shunned by the people of Asgard, who is the only successor to the throne left? BINGO. Particularly if he chooses to fight beside Odin and the other Asgardians.

Now I know Tyr is supposed to be in there, so there may be him as an option too, but I thought it was more interesting if it were Loki. also I'm sort of thinking Tyr may not be a brother to Thor in this, possibly of Odin though, and I'm also thinking he may be already dead and involved with the Valhalla forces, so not a likely successor for that reason.


crazy idea I know but it would sure as hell be a surprise twist to the comics fans!
It's really hard to let go of the "For Asgard!"/"For Midgard!"/"For Myself!" moment, though. BUT

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I've seen people write that at the same time Surtur is fighting with Odin and the boys, his army is attacking Midgard at--where else?--New York. The Asgardian army is down there fighting them. So what you propose is actually not as big of a leap as it might originally appear, aside from moving away from that one iconic page in the book.

Also, as I understand, Surtur smashes the Bifrost with Twilight to cut off the army from coming back to aid Odin & Sons. I had earlier quipped that they have to hurry up and repair the Bifrost so that it's ready for Surtur to smash. But maybe they just won't bother--lol.


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since the Asgardians have not read the comics, they dont know that Surtur kills Odin anyway (neither would Thor know this for that matter),
Hee hee--funny you should mention that. I saw a panel one time in which Sif says to Thor something to the effect of, "I'm hoping that the fact that my actions in the Ragnarok and those of the Warriors Three are not attested to in the Poetic Edda means that we still have some freedom to affect the outcome."

Also, there's a side story (ie, not 616 continuity) called Thor: The Mighty Avenger. When Jane first meets Thor and pulls out a book of Norse mythology to show him, the image that is in the book is from the 616 comics, Kirby-era Thor.

Finally, I heard that someone is going to tease Tony Stark in Iron Man 3 about being in the "Superfriends".

More seriously, I recall that Hemsworth said in an interview one time that Vikings took their dreams very seriously. If they dreamt they would die in the next battle, they were certain it would happen. Conversely, if they didn't dream it, not gonna happen. He asserted that gave them the fearlessness for which they were famous in battle. Presumably the Asgardians would reflect that to some extent. So if no one (especially Frigga) dreamt of bad things from Surtur, then they probably would assume it would all work out (although I do recall in that famous For Asgard/Midgard/Myself page, Odin does say something to the effect of, "what better way for a god than to die with his sons by his side?")

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and actually if Malekith makes a play for her early on, (if he's able to find out about her somehow, through Loki or some magical way) and then he tries to kidnap her to use as bait just as he grabs Lorelei, but Thor stops him or gets her back, then that might be a legit reason for him taking her back to Asgard with him for a while. And this could be what the current fighting scenes being filmed are about also. Maybe... although I was thinking some of the shadow boxing stuff was against a CGI Kurse, which I think will be late in the movie. Plus I think that Malekith is more likely to grab Jane in a sneaky way, as I think he does Lorelei in the comics, and not come down with a huge army destroying stuff to do it. They actually have a shapeshifting elf pose as Lorelei in the comics for a time I guess, so that certainly could be what the "possession" is in reference to, actually, now that I've found that out. But then that would mean there would be some scenes with Jane, not Jane at all, and Jane is actually with Malekith through much of this. That could certainly lead into a "moral sacrifice" situation, if there ever was one.
Okay, I guess I need a little help connecting the dots here. Sorry to be slow on the uptake.
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What exactly is the moral sacrifice to which you are referring? Are you suggesting that Thor might want to kill the not-Jane-elf? I'm a little confused.


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or this happens to her half way through or towards the end, after [Thor and Jane] have had a chance to meet up again, and maybe spend some time together. Although I'm having trouble coming up with an excuse for him to be down there for that, with everything hitting the fan everywhere else.
That could be, if we think that Andrew Lawden's spoilers could involve plot points from later in the movie. However,
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he went on to say that Jane, Thor, and Loki go on the journey to the Dark World. So the possession can't come so late in the film. since there seem to be so many events that come after it.


But the main point I wanted to make here was an idea I have about this Greenwich University footage.
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So, we have a big pile of rocks, and the dark elves are marching up the staircase on the backside of the rocks and then up over the pile and onto the set. I think they might be coming out of a space ship that has crashed onto the green of the university. (*Sadly*, not a crater or a trench that Thor or Kurse or some other heavy hitter made Have to hope for a crater in some other fight!) I had also previously observed that it looks like they are going to stage it so that two pillars from one of the university buildings gets knocked out and onto the lawn. I suppose the ship clips the pillars as it lands.

The spoiler from September that marvel_freshman had posted discussed a space ship that crashed into a palace. Presumably this is not the same crash as this Greenwich University set--there'd be no need to duplicate it in green screen.

SOOOOOOOOOOO

Maybe the dark elves attack *both* places *simultaneously*!! And maybe even both ship crashes are simultaneous to the army attack out in the sticks at Bourne Woods. (Yes, Thor is in the Bourne Woods scene, and he's at Greenwich University too, but maybe he's in one place and then flies to the other).

The other conclusion we could draw is that the dark elves are *really* lousy pilots! Either that or they haven't bothered to design landing gear--lol. So not enough Midgardian influence on their culture .

As for how Thor is able to get down there, maybe Jane & Co are finally able to get a portal open (the university recruited her to set up the Center for Interdimensional Studies, with grant money from Stark Industries, etc.) The dark elves have a lot of sleeper agents on Midgard (yielding the influence of the two realms on each other that marvel_freshman speculated about). There would have been a lot of preliminary tests, so they knew in advance this was coming. So when the dark elves were ready to move on Asgard, they figured they should hit Earth too. Because clearly they are ready for a higher form of war.

I think Natalie Portman was only on set on Tuesday. (Her trailer was labeled "Jane" on Monday and by Wednesday it was labeled "Malekith"). So maybe Thor flies through the portal and tells them to get up to Asgard where it is safer, not realizing that the other attack is coming.

Hmmm, that doesn't quite fit with the Bourne Woods scene, though. Okay, new idea: the army attack at Bourne Woods is completely uncoordinated with the two ship attacks. The dark elves see that that is going down, and they decide this is a good moment to pile on too. So then they launch their ships. The one headed for Midgard gets there before the one that gets to Asgard.


Okay, that's plenty I'm sure.

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