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Old 11-19-2012, 04:36 PM   #98
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Default Re: Plot ideas based on SPOILERS (general discussion)

Originally Posted by Surfer View Post
The reason I banished Loki to Muspelheim as well as why I brought Surtur to Alfheim first instead of directly to Asgard (in my version above). It is mostly because I didn't want Surtur and the sons of Muspell to just arrive at Asgards door in the first act and catch everyone off guard and destroy everything. It just felt too destructive too soon in the film, better to have the impending threat throughout the film.
I would think they'd want the element of surprise on Odin and the Asgardians but if used as a one-two punch with Malekith, then that could make sense, yes. But I think it makes more sense to draw the Asgardians away to help Alfheim and then the other force comes in to hit Asgard while much of the troops are away. Just a suggestion... Come to think of it, maybe that's a change I'll make to mine for when Frigga dies, because Odin is off helping Alfheim or something. Maybe, i'm still going to sit on what I have for a while.

If you are questioning if it is a planet with all 3 realms (including Vanaheim) you can view it here (at least if we are keeping it comic accurate).
I believe the MCU is different, based on the drawing done when he's with Jane. They appear to be different planets. I've yet to find an image of that to post though.

So, getting back to my original sentence about Loki in Muspelheim if Surtur is going to be launched as an attack in the first act on the Asgardian planetoid (to provide the distraction for Malekith invading earth), who better to warn Odin of the threat then Loki (who would like nothing more then to have the opportunity to gain his fathers good favor and to be able to continue his manipulations without being hindered). So, I decided banishment to Muspellheim could work given where he would be in the film during the first Act (being punished) and more or less where he would need to be to learn of the events. I don't know if it's a great solution, but it's what I came up with.
Yeah I have issue with much of that, but pretty much explained somehwhere above, so I wont repeat it. I appreciate it is hard to come up with solutions for such things though. Not easy.

In addition I would like to comment that I thought we had gotten confirmation that all 9 realms are suppose to be shown in this film, because I hear several people stating that it is too much. If it has not been confirmed then perhaps they are right and we will not see Alfheim or Vanaheim in this film. However, I was under the impression confirmation of all 9 realms being shown was made, and if that is the case in my version it would actually still be missing realms that require explaining. Maybe elizah72 can help me with that, as she is good at filling in the gaps and thinking outside the box.
All I founds is rumors that they *MAY* all appear, so not for sure. It would be difficult to fit it all in, some may just be a matter of a character from that realm showing up to fight or something. We might not see all the worlds but I'm hoping to get at least close to having some representation of all the realms. (even Jotunheim, even if it's just mention of how devastated it is after Loki's attack)

As for why I didn't show Algrim's transformation into Kurse. Plain and simple just felt it would take up to much time seeing Algrim battle Thor, having him be betrayed by Malekith, having him loose his memory of what actually happened, turn into Kurse blaming Thor, have him return to battle Thor, have him regain his memory, and have him kill Malekith. I just think if someone looses there memory it is generally a slow process for someone to regain it. Which is fine in comics, because Kurse can be searching for Thor and have many battles with him through 100's of comics before coming to the realization that Thor was not responsible and then go after Malekith and kill him. However, in a movie where Malekith and the Dark elves are invading earth you can't have it seem like he has lost his memory for a long duration. So, I changed aspects of the character to fit with the flow of the story I created trying to leave elements of the character intact when possible.
However, as I have said many times previously I am all for sticking with the character origins, so if they can figure out a way to do it and fit it within the context of the film without it feeling forced then that's what I would like to see.
Yes, I have issue with this part of the story too, in the comics it's not that fast, he goes off and goes and fights Bill in NY and then later regains his memory and then later gets Malekith. I'm actually wondering if that won't be tied up neaty at the end of Thor 2, if they may leave Kurse and Malekith out there to Thor 3, and have that happen then. I'd rather they tie it up neatly sooner rather than later but it does seem like it's all going to happen awfully quickly.

So, yeah I am really looking forward to this battle of might vs. magic, especially since with Loki you always feel like Thor is holding back some because it's his brother, but with Malekith the battle should be brutal and unrelenting.
Agreed. And from the pictures so far looks like it will be!

Regarding why I choose not to kill off Odin. Well 2 reasons. I really like having Odin be the ruler and most powerful Asgardian, because if you kill off Odin and Thor takes on the Odinforce then his battles with Loki and most other villians like the Enchantress, or the Executioner would be very one sided battles in favor of Thor.
Definitely, that's why that part needs to be held back until the end of the franchise, or Thor's part in it at least. He'd be too powerful for the Avengers movies.

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