Re: Bane or the Joker?
I was more into Bane's desire to prove himself superior to Ra's Al Ghul and the Batman. His plan was also far grander than the Joker's. More widespread. However the Joker's plan had a greated personal impact on Batman/Bruce Wayne, I think.
Therefore, for me, Bane takes 3 of your categories while Joker takes impact. The revolution was, afterall, built on the aftermath of Joker's actions.
edit: Joker's speeches about his past left me with the impression that he'd went to the Law for assistance and was either beaten/punished by corrupt cops or handed over to the gangster pulling the Law's strings.
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