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Old 11-20-2012, 11:28 PM   #97
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Default Re: Things you noticed after multiple viewings on DVD / BluRay.

Originally Posted by fear&loathing View Post
You guys are going to think I'm nuts for writing this much about a small issue. But its a huge issue that cheapens the reveal at the end of the movie.

There is something that has bothered me that I have not seen anyone bring up over the summer regarding one of this year's biggest and most polarizing movie: The Dark Knight Rises. My problem that baffles me regards what I assume to be a semi-plot-hole that has not been mentioned by anyone. By your definition, I'm not even sure if it is a plot hole but it is a glaring contradiction.

Here it goes:

When Bruce comes back to Gotham after spending some time in Bane's "home" he meets up with Selina Kyle and together they go and meet up with Lucius Fox who is being guarded by Bane's men/League of Shadows while also being accompanied by Miranda Tate (who we learn at the end of the movie is really running the show as Talia). Sorry for that rather large sentence. So Bruce reveals he is back in Gotham and that he is alive which is very important to the plot and the characters. Bruce leaves Fox and Tate and goes off somewhere else with Selina.

The movie skips a scene or two and we are next at the Gordon/Ice scene where Bruce shows up as Batman, takes out the League "ninjas" and tells Gordon to light a puddle of gasoline with a flare. The flare ignites a flame that spreads up the side of a bridge to reveal a giant flaming bat-symbol. Cut to Bane who says "Impossible. Keep the girl close, he will come for her."

And that is my problem. Maybe I am reading too much into this but for the plot to work it has to have some logical sense. Ok, so Miranda is revealed to be Talia al Ghul at the end. Now that we know this, we know Talia saw Bruce when he first came back from the pit prison so we can safely assume that Talia told Bane that Bruce was back in town. But why was Bane surprised when he saw the flaming bat-symbol and why did the audience need to see him act out a charade amongst HIS MEN who already KNOW the full scope of Talia/Bane's plan. Thats just really goofy and kind of a movie-fake out meant to push you away from suspecting Miranda Tate is in fact Talia al Ghul while you are watching the movie. The only way I can see this working was if Fox was shown amongst Bane and his men during that moment which would give a reason for that ridiculous charade.

Is this a plot hole? Is it a continuity error? Is this asking audiences that are rewatching the movie for ___ number of times to take a leap of logic? Or is this lazy writing? Please tell me what this is and if I am crazy for being the only one talking about this contradiction.

Talia did not tell him Bruce was back. Now I know what you're thinking, "Goku are you stupid? Why the hell wouldn't Talia tell Bane that Bruce is back the moment she gets a chance?" The answer is that she couldn't tell Bane that Bruce was back. Now you're thinking "Why the hell not?". It's simple. It's because of the people around her and Bane. Keep in mind that at this point in the movie, most of Bane's henchmen are citizens of Gotham who think that Bane is some sort of revolutionist. These people are not members of the league of shadows. These people do not know that the bomb is going off no matter what. These people are constantly lied to by Bane, so that he can fulfill his agenda.

These people are also the ones guarding "Miranda". To them Miranda is just some hostage. Talia has worked years on this cover. If she were to tell Bane that Batman was back, surrounded by these oblivious henchmen, she could risk blowing her cover, and creating suspicion with those henchmen who believe Bane to be some sort of freedom fighter revolutionist, and that could be a huge threat to Bane and Talia's plan. They don't want their men to know that they've been lying to them this whole time. This is why Bane says "Keep her close. He'll come for her". He's keeping up this charade for his henchmen he is deceiving. Obviously his league of shadows henchmenn know better, but those henchmen who are from Gotham don't.

So Talia has no chance to tell Bane that Bruce is back. Not without blowing her cover. Bane is genuinely surprised that Bruce is back when he sees the flaming bat. Now, after this when Bane and Talia go to city hall, she can finally be herself, as evident by her garb. So I'm assuming that it's here that she talked with Bane and the League members about Bruce being back and that she knew.

Now the real reason why Bane didn't know, is because at this point in the movie we aren't suppose to know that Miranda is Talia, so we aren't suppose to think that she'd tell Bane he's back. But you can use my reasoning to justify it.

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