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Originally Posted by ShredderX

So the 2003 cartoon was boring because it tried to be more " grown up " ? So what do you think about X-Men the animated series from the 90's or Batman : The Animated series, or Gargoyles ?

Never watched Gargoyles nor was I ever really into any of those poorly animated Marvel shows on Fox like Spider-Man or X-Men (though I've read the comics since the late 80's) but Batman TAS had a great balance. It didn't insult adults but it didn't try to act like it wasn't catering to children either.

How would you feel if those shows were remade in a " fun" style like " Ultimate Spider-Man ? "

Batman: The Brave & The Bold says hi. That was one of the best adaptations of Batman I've ever seen too.

2003 TMNT IMO was on the same level as those shows, and they were highly favored.

I disagree. I don't think it was on BTAS' level at all. Maybe X-Men but that show was no real great shakes either IMO. The only really good thing about that show is that it made kids in the 90's X-Men fans. I give 2K3 Turtles the same credit in that even though I didn't really like that show overall it at least brought in a new generation of fans and kept the property afloat.

And sure there was SOME humor in Mirage books, but not slapstick, but for the most part it took itself seriously ( and to be honest, I'm not sure what humor you're talking about, the only person who said or did anything remotely funny was Mikey on occasion) Stories like " The River ", " Return to New York ", " City at War " were pretty serious storylines.

It's called satire not "whocka whocka whocka" type humor but a tongue in cheek deconstruction of a lot of the tropes of comics like 80's Daredevil and Frank Miller's Ronin. You don't need blatant jokes to be peppered around a comic for it to have any humor. Satirical humor is just as valid. The Mirage comics were funny for the same reason a movie like Dr. Strangelove and it's outlook on cold war tropes is funny. It wasn't just explicit grimdarkness it was serious but still tongue in cheek.

And true, Batman may not be the gun-toting vigilante, but he's still faithful to his dark roots from the 40's and not the Campy 60's show.

Without the campy 60's show Batman probably wouldn't even be around so I don't understand trying to sell it short like it's some worthless adaptation. It was also pretty damn faithful to the mythos and a lot of the "campy" elements from the 60's show and comic books still remain in today's Batman comics and other forms of Batman media.

Like I said the Nick show is good, one of the better shows out on saturday morning now, but I just think the 2003 show is better.

That's cool. I think the Nick show is much better balanced and entertaining so far and it could only get better as it goes along.