Originally Posted by MAKAVELI25
But, atleast IMO, Batman existing in the first place is what allows a supervillain like the Joker to arise. Presumably since Bruce was retired there were no such supervillains, I think this shows that he was pretty much the cause of the chaos that ensued after Batman Begins. Remember that the mob was on its last legs when they allowed the Joker to take over the city, without this desperation they could've banded together and killed him easily. Some of you might argue this point, but remember that the Joker wasn't a priority to the mob, the only one really looking for him was Gamble, even Maroni says something to the effect of the Joker not being important (mob meeting). Had they worked together to catch him they would've found him easily. Without a Batman supervillains like the Joker cannot arise because the criminal elements will dispose of them before they can become too big of a problem. Having national guards patrolling your city is bad for business
. I'd like to think that Gotham, like pretty much any other city in the world, could survivie without a masked crimefighter IF the people rose up as one in order to combat crime.
Do you consider the LOS and their leaders to be supervillains? Because they were coming for Gotham regardless of Bruce, and the mob would have been of no consequence. Agreed on the Joker front though, he in particular would not have been successful or maybe wouldn't even have hatched his plans without the Batman.