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Old 11-25-2012, 01:25 PM   #152
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Default Re: Wonder Woman Thread Reborn! - Part 9

Originally Posted by TheComicbookKid View Post
Of course she wouldn't. But why would she need Steve to tell her that weak people do evil/dumb things? Haven't we done that since the beginning of time? Don't the Amazons do stupid stuff sometime out of anger or jealousy?

These aren't modern character flaws. They're important parts of being human.
The end of my sentence: not judge them too harshly. And my understanding of Themyscira is that they don't do dumb things out of anger/jealousy. That's part of why it's called Paradise Island - because they have developed a society that is socially advanced. Now if you're talking about a less evolved Themyscira one that's Paradise in name only, I'd see your point.

But again, if she's from Paradise, she's going to look at Iago as someone who's in need of punishment, not guidance.

Originally Posted by Joeyjojo72 View Post
Eh, all that stuff will come down to the casting. Brad Bird and Emily Blunt will work it out at the appropriate time.

The good news is that WW is a broad enough character (similar to Supes) that the director/writers/actors will have plenty of space to put their own mark on her. But she's never gonna be as complex as Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark. Shes too perfect. Even Thor is more complex.
I call bologna! Everything, from character design to plot points gets worked out at the appropriate time. By that standard, this whole website is invalid. And every character is precisely as complex as they've been made. The same broadness that you describe are depths to plumb for anyone who doesn't say "eh, that stuff will work itself out."

Originally Posted by KingMadness View Post

The main thing people need to be talking about right now is Wonder Woman's personality. Her motivations. You take away the Superhero from a Clark, Bruce, Hal, Wally, Arthur, Ollie, etc, and you know who they are, you know their motivations, you know what they will do, why they will do it, and how they will do it.

Who in the hell is Diana Prince? What are her motivations? What is her personality without Wonder Woman? What makes her tick? If we took away her Super powers, who would she be, how would she handle daily life, and how would she handle threats?

It's funny cause I just realized this. We have spent 5 topics talking about enemies, supporting cast, who is going to don the tiara, but we never really talked about who Diana is.
Thank you. The problem is that NO ONE ever talks about who Diana is. They say she and Wonder Woman are the same person (as though Bruce and Batman or Clark and Superman are somehow not?) and leave her as this typical female superhero with nothing to add to the conversation but a sexy body and generic superhero dialogue. Even the "Who is Diana?" Storylines from the comics just end up with "she's a bit of everything, really..." which kinda makes her nothing.

That question, what Diana would do if she didn't have super powers, really hits the heart of it well.

For me, Diana is an adventurer, a very vibrant spirit whom the island never had any hope of containing anyway. She's the most exciting thing happening at any given time, not the most powerful or righteous necessarily like Superman, not the scariest or angstiest, like Batman. She's the one who's having the most fun doing this, partly because, as others have pointed out, when she's Wonder Woman, she's just being herself anyway. How appropriate for someone who wields the power of Truth at her side. So the question becomes, "What kind of person would love doing this?" Someone who likes to help people, someone who likes to fight and compete, someone who has a strong moral center, someone who likes to go to new places and do new things. Whether you work it forward or backwards, you end up with a primarily fun, charming character who was born (or made) for this, they just don't know it yet.

This grafting on of the generic warrior princess archetype has never done her any service, and constantly taken the conversation away from her to everything around her.

Originally Posted by Majik1387 View Post
This could be me being naive to Wonder Woman as a whole, but I don't remember there being much to Diana Prince as a character in terms of differences from WW. She keeps all the same values and characteristics, it's more of just a name she uses for everyday life.
This has been true for a while. The problem is that if there's not much to Diana as a character, then there's not much to Wonder Woman as a character, either.

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